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Sommer

Why do you continue to remove my content changes to Sommer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Burbank151 (talk • contribs) 14:30, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

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I thought my edit summary at Sommer was quite clear: I removed your entry because it serves no purpose on a disambiguation page. Such pages are meant to direct readers who enter an ambiguous term into the search box to the article they are looking for. For help to understand this subject, you should start with Help:Disambiguation and Wikipedia:Disambiguation, and maybe Help:Wikipedia: The Missing Manual/Building a Stronger Encyclopedia/Getting Readers to the Right Article: Naming, Redirects, and Disambiguation#For Multiple Meanings: Disambiguation; for considerations of editing disambiguation pages, Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Disambiguation pages is crucial. In short, once an article exists, it can be added. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 03:18, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

I have discussed with members of community and they tell me you are "edit warring": a violation of wikipedia rules. Your edits are not cogent and done soley as harassment. If you revert my edit again I will report your actions and move to have you temporarily suspended. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Burbank151 (talk • contribs) 13:09, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

I already replied above. Did you read the articles I suggested? How to you counter the argument, derived from those articles, that your contribution to that disambiguation page is inappropriate? If you want to follow through with your threat, the relevant noticeboard is that-a-way. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 13:52, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

Target of Command Prompt

Hi.

I give up. I registered my objection to your edit summary with a revert, so that it is on the file, but that's purely semantic. And I'll go fix the broken backlinks too.

But there are two other supporting users as well. I am afraid I cannot account for their action. Sorry for the inconvenience.

Best regards,
Codename Lisa (talk) 12:16, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Straight apostrophes

I noticed that you had changed to "straight apostrophes" on the Vilar article. What sort of keyboard do you use, because mine is a US one and I don't have a choice? Viva-Verdi (talk) 14:48, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

PS: when I was comparing my changes to the ones you made, maybe I'd not touched the original of much of the article, only re-arranged some text to adjust the overly-heavy lead section. So, now that I look closely, my quote marks show up as " and apostrophes as straight = ' .Viva-Verdi (talk) 15:32, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
I, too, use a US keyboard, and my browser is Firefox frozen at version 22.0 (or occasionally Pale Moon). These browsers, and Internet Explorer, allow distinctive searches where newer Firefox and Chrome conflate searches for straight and curly apostrophes and quotation marks. There are of course no curlies on the keyboard (and no umlauts), so I enter them with Alt+0146 (on the numeric keypad) for a curly apostrophe, identical to the single closing quotation mark, (’), Alt+0145 for a curly single opening quotation mark (‘) and similarly for double quote signs Alt+0147 (“) and Alt+0 148 (”). The article Quotation mark glyphs deals with these. If you search for curlies in this diff view at Alberto Vilar , you should see them only on the left side. If you search for straight quotation marks and apostrophes in this section, you should them only in your text (3 quotation signs and 3 apostrophes). Hope this helps. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 06:26, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

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Also sprach Zarathustra(painting)

Thank you very much, Michael, for your correction! It's so useful! I've written this article by myself using some articles about Lena Hades, but English is not my native language, I regret)) Thanks a lot for your help!Vika007 22:17, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

My main concern with the article Also Sprach Zarathustra (painting) is its name. Maybe you can respond at Talk:Also Sprach Zarathustra (painting)#Name. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 04:42, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

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1) You need to be more specific; which edit(s) are you referring to? 2) Please read WP:Don't template the regulars. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 06:15, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

La Mancha de Aragón

Please look at my comment on the talk page of "El retablo de Maese Pedro" and repair the formatting, which I don't know how to do. Thank you.deisenbe (talk) 10:52, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Simple, noncontroversial grammatical edit to 'Franz Schubert'

My edit to Franz Schubert was simply a correction of the incorrect usage of the adverb "remarkably."

Before: Schubert wrote over 1,500 works in a remarkably short career.

After: Schubert was remarkably prolific, writing over 1,500 works in his short career.

What was remarkable is NOT the shortness of Schubert's career. Many people have short careers. What *is* remarkable is composing more than 1500 pieces during that short career. Thus the adverb was modifying the wrong word, so I rewrote it to be more clear and accurate.

For some reason you want to put bad, imprecise writing back into the article. Don't. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Peezy1001 (talk • contribs) 23:23, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Magic Flute, Easter Egg, etc.

Sorry about the Easter Egg, I didn't know about this rule. I have added a reference to a book which suggests that the Queen of the Night might represent the Roman Catholic Church itself. See The Magic Flute Talk Page. Goblinshark17 (talk) 18:25, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

Driving Miss Daisy (play)

I added the plot because I had just seen the play and the plot line was accurate. I edited the last line that mentioned scenery from the movie.

Don't know why you couldn't ask first ...

Mishka.medvezhonok (talk) 02:50, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

There was still a reference to the film in the synopsis that you copied from Driving Miss Daisy to Driving Miss Daisy (play): the third paragraph opens: "The film explores". Further, the synopsis is more than that and contains a number of interpretative remarks. There's no need to spread such pieces of original research and synthesis from one article to another. If readers want to read a synopsis, I don't take them to be too ignorant not to follow the link at the top of the play's article. Then there are some subtle problems mentioned at WP:Copying within Wikipedia. You thought your edit was a good idea, I didn't; now we discuss this. This is what WP:BRD encourages, although the article's talk page would probably be a better place. If you still think your edit should be restored, go ahead. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 11:21, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

Photo of Verdi monument

Hi, Michael:

I took a very splendid photo last summer (2013) of the Verdi monument in Verdi Square, at W 73rd St and Broadway in Manhattan, and would like to release it under the GNU license system for use at this article and for the article on Verdi Square, the editors of which have been crying out for a good photo. It's been a long time since I sourced photos for other articles (never my own photo), and I know from experience that it can be tricky. Many photos I sourced completely within the guidelines of WP were summarily challenged and then deleted.

This time I would like to go about it in the right manner. If you have experience and knowledge of this sort, and can help make sure I am credited as the photographer, I would gladly work with you to get the photo into the article. I will also reach out to other editors of this article with the hopes that someone can step up to the plate and get the photo up properly.

Thanks,

paul klenk talk 14:07, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

I noticed you uploaded File:Giuseppe Verdi Monument.jpg to Commons and I placed it in Giuseppe Verdi Monument. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 10:05, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

New OP articles

Hi Michael. I've been catching up on Opera Project housekeeping after my month away. I've checked User:AlexNewArtBot/OperaSearchResult from today through mid-August, tagging talk pages with {{WikiProject Opera}} where appropriate. I know you regularly do this too. Have you checked everything prior to 12 August on the new articles listing? If so, I can stop my laborious trek through the back versions of the search results. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 10:52, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

I've been away for a few days and some weekends recently, so I'm not sure. Even when I'm here and look at the OperaSearchResults, I only check articles with red-linked talk pages, assuming that existing talk pages (blue linked) are appropriately bannered. Sorry I can't be more precise. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 11:42, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
That's OK. I'll gradually double-check then. Sometimes I find articles that have been inappropriately bannered for the OP and or really dreadful ones that need to be tagged for clean-up/notability/etc. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 12:08, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

I puritani

Agree that the layout was a mess. It's on my list to work on after I finish La sonnambula currently in my sandbox. Then I'll load Puritani in there and with some comp. hist. and perf. hist. text, the pix should be able to be placed much more appropriately...... Best, Viva-Verdi (talk) 14:36, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

Diva

Hello Michael. I added the link to Are We Not Men? We Are Diva! to the Diva (disambiguation) page as that album seems to be be known generically as "diva" on YouTube, and is also the most prominent word on the album cover. Would you consider reading it based on that?, especially as that's what I first searched for. Thanks --Dee Earley (talk) 20:34, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

I simply applied the guideline at WP:NAMELIST when I removed that entry. I'm not going to remove it again if you put it back, but others might. If you do, note that every entry on a disambiguation page should have only 1 linked term (i.e. no link for the band), and that album titles should be in italics. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 02:01, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

Mahillon

Hi there, I see you wiki-linked "Charles Mahillon" to Victor-Charles Mahillon. They're not the same: Charles was the father of Victor-Charles. -- kosboot (talk) 11:27, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

I was aware of that problem. But are you certain those trumpets were made by Charles Mahillon père who died in 1887 whereas Charles fils would have been in his prime when the Aida trumpets were made, according to the description of File:Aida trumpets.jpg: "late 19th century"? Secondly, neither this nor the French Wikipedia have an article on the father, so I assume the son was more notable. If it can be proven that the father made the trumpets, I would make in lieu of an article a REDIRECT from Charles Mahillon to Victor-Charles Mahillon which would result in the same linkage as now. Note that in the son's article, I avoided a first name in the image captions. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 12:19, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
I was just reading off the label in the exhibit case. Grove says that the son joined the company in 1865. Maybe it might be better to say "by the Mahillon" family/company? -- kosboot (talk) 13:16, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

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List of Ponchielli operas

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The King and I

I am watching the article. If the name goes back in, I will revert it within 24 hours, so you don't need to do it alone. If it happens again, we should try to attract an admin to block the IP. -- Ssilvers (talk) 14:48, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Death and the Maiden Quartet

Sorry about that. I didn't realize that the link was already in External Links, thought you had deleted it by mistake. --Ravpapa (talk) 08:35, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

Sfnm template

Thanks for fixing the templates on Partita for Violin No. 2 (Bach). I have become familiar with the "harv" series of templates, but the "sfn" series is comparatively new to me. The errors in syntax occurred because I copied the template directly from the example on the template page, instead of typing it in. This in turn was because I could not tell by eye whether that first character in the parameter following the pipe was capital I ("eye") or a lowercase l ("ell"). I see now that it turns out to be a numeral 1(!), but I still don't understand why copying it from the template page did not produce the correct result.—Jerome Kohl (talk) 16:17, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

List of compositions by William Byrd

I niticed your revert of my edit on this page. For your information the spelling of deficit is correct, as you may see here and here and here and here. Both "deficit" and "defecit" are used in the Latin, but the one used in the title of this piece is "Deficit". The title using deficit translates as "Exhaust itself in pain, - But thou, O Lord", whilst the incorrect version using "defecit" translates as "Is spent with grief - But thou, O Lord". All of the examples I have listed here agree with me. I hope you will consider reverting your revert. Jodosma (talk) 08:32, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

The 1st source you cite uses both spellings, "deficit" twice and "defecit" 4 times. My sources are the index of the 1852 edition and indeed the 1st edition (1589) scores:Cantiones Sacrae I (Byrd, William). The words are taken from psalm 30 in the Vulgate. "Defecit in dolore vita mea" gives 82,000 ghits, "Deficit in dolore vita mea" gives 20. I don't think your "sources" trump these, so I'll let my edit stand. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 09:40, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
As much as I can follow you, Michael, - did you know that a first edition is not considered relevant here, house style "trumps"? See A Boy was Born (pictured), - a deficit, I think, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:51, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
You are right about the Google stats, I am spent with grief, and thereby will I exhaust myself in pain, as one day you may too. Are you ever wrong? Jodosma (talk) 10:26, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
Just an afterthought Michael. If you're so sure of yourself why don't you put it in the article as a citation to prevent anyone else making the same change. Of course it would need to be a proper reference and not just some extract from a web page that anyone could have uploaded, and scores:Cantiones Sacrae I (Byrd, William) is from another wiki which, just like Wikipedia, can be edited by anyone, so should not be used as a source. Jodosma (talk) 12:12, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

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Michael Bednarek/Boombox

Hi, User:Michael Bednarek, please take a look at your boombox, it just does not look right. Lotje (talk) 04:21, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

Could you describe in slightly more detail how User:Michael Bednarek/Boombox doesn't look right? -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 04:44, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
The first 3 lines are fine, and then suddenly it does not look good anymore and at #60, it jumps (the text I mean ) to the top of the page. Imo it has to do with the {{Col-begin|width=800px}} {{Col-break|width=350px}}. Hope that answers your question and you can fix it, so I can have a look and do the same if ever I come accross something similar. Thank you for your time. Lotje (talk) 12:16, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
It looks fine in Firefox/Pale Moon and Chrome, but Internet Explorer shows the symptoms you describe. I've now changed the method of showing the columns: instead of a HTML table, I now use the CSS column class which since V-10 (I think) is finally also supported by IE. Thank you for pointing this out. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 13:08, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
No that, is something that looks great. Lotje (talk) 13:36, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

LOL

I'm glad someone is checking my edits, however small. Thanks for fixing "principal" back to the way I had it before and how it should be. Sheesh. I'm losing my touch. I still don't know that I understand the precise technical difference between "that" and "which", only which of the two sounds better at the time. And I still don't understand the word "transclude". All that aside, I speak English rather well for an American. :-) Softlavender (talk) 09:04, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

On the nature of capitalization in the universe

Hi Michael. You recently commented on the capitalization of List of English translations of De Rerum Natura. I've posted a note at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Capital letters#De Rerum Natura or De rerum natura?, as I think WP should provide guidance on this, one way or the other. Thanks. Phil wink (talk) 15:58, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Mozart

Mozart only used the middle name Amadeus in jest...and even then, he would only use it when calling himself "Wolfgangus Amadeus Mozartus". His favorite version of his middle name was the French "Amadei" but the most common was the German "Wolfgang Gottleib Mozart". Please edit the name of his page to at least remove the Amadeus...or at least credit Peter Schaffer for the name "Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sop5002 (talk • contribs) 09:41, 25 October 2014 (UTC+10:00)

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I have no idea why you raise this on my talk page; the proper place is Talk:Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart. However, I recommend you familiarise yourself first with Wikipedia:Naming conventions (people). -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 03:24, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

"non-notable and unsourced"

Actually not, but the draft article showing notability is still under review:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Piero_Heliczer

Just because something isn't massively popular doesn't mean it's not notable. An artist can break new ground and have a big impact on what comes later without necessarily becoming a household word. In this case, the film I added was made before any of the others on the list. Rosekelleher (talk) 10:04, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

At the time of your edit to Venus in Furs, the article on Piero Heliczer didn't exist yet; thanks to User:MacCreator and to you for creating it. However, I still maintain that a 1965 B&W short to the Velvet Underground song "Venus in Furs" needs sources that it is notable in the context of the novel. On the other hand, Heliczer's film ought to be mentioned in the article about the song. Cheers, Michael Bednarek (talk) 11:51, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
Hi Michael. It's no thanks to MacCreator who has "stolen" dozens of other editor's drafts and put them in article space with his name as creator. See Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Dozens of drafts copypasted into article space. Rose, I think Michael is right here about the most appropriate article for the mention of the short film. Nice article, by the way. Hopefully the mess MacCreator created will be sorted out. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 12:17, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
@Michael, okay, I take your point. (And I'm happy to see that the bogus copy of my draft has now been deleted!) Rosekelleher (talk) 12:34, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
Is there no end to the ways people misuse Wikipeda? Thanks for the notification about this miscreant. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 12:36, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
I fear there is no end, Michael. In addition, the miscreant has been blocked as a sock. Doesn't surprise me. Voceditenore (talk) 08:40, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

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Talk:Amleto: would you mind taking a look at my comments on the roles tables in the article?

...and making any appropriate comments either for leaving it or changing? Thanks in advance, best, Viva-Verdi (talk) 13:27, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for your contributions to this discussion. They were most helpful in regard to this rather over-enthusiastic editor. Unfortunately, although I live in Santa Fe (60 miles away), I was in London and so didn't see it. Best, Viva-Verdi (talk) 21:14, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

Brown wax cylinders

Thanks for catching this. I only saw the second edit which had added the material to the lede as well, plonked down as a non-sequitur, as often happens in these cases. I removed it and incorporated an abbreviated version, here. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 08:27, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Admin's Barnstar
Hi Michael, i wanna add some singers who have contraltos voice, like Adele, Alicia Keys, Christina Aguilera and etc. but i can't. why?

Please teach me how can change the list Amerllica (talk) 14:25, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

O Fortuna translation

I've read a post of yours about Orff; you seem quite knowledgeable about the music of O Fortuna. But, I can't know for sure because I'm not well versed in music.

I am reasonably well versed in Latin, and the version I changed recently is extremely well support by Cassell's Latin Dictionary, Wheelock's Latin Grammar, New Latin Grammar, and Latin Prose Composition.

In particular, the current portions you seem to be supporting about "as fancy takes it", "well being is vain/ and always fades to nothing", "you plague me too;", and "I bring my bare back to your villainy" are not only absolutely a wrong translation, they don't even make any sense in English.

Will you please explain the specific Latin translation reasonings as to why you've reverted back to these incorrect translations. In particular, how the declensions and conjugations match up, and the Latin words you're relying upon to come up with, inter alia, "fancy", "fades to nothing", "shadowed" (obumbrata is the perfect past participle case, while that case doesn't exist in English, it is not appropriately translated as "shadowed"), "velata" (same perfect past participle case issue), and "plague". None of those words are even remotely suggested by the Latin, let alone the concepts of the poem.

Did you even read the translation I posted?

Did you happen to notice how it actually carries all the thoughts through about Fortune, how Fortune "changes"!, the main theme of the entire poem that is completely lost in the version you've posted.

I'm more than happy to discuss the sound basis for each and every change I made, and how it's completely supported by the actual Latin words and most importantly, Latin grammar--because Latin is a declined language, word order doesn't dictate parts of speech, the word endings do. Without proper application of the grammar, no translation can be remotely supported as appropriate. The version you are supporting not only is unsupported by the words themselves, the grammar doesn't match up. While grammar rules are notoriously bent in Latin poetry, they are not outright destroyed as they are in the version you're supporting.

If you truly care about this page as the number of your posts suggests, I urge you to either support your case, or research it, or if you don't happen to know Latin, get someone you know who does to review it, before you discard appropriate improvements.

I look forward to your thoughts.

Cjh007 (talk) 19:23, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

It would have been better to have this discussion at Talk:O Fortuna so other editors could participate, as they have in the past.
Ad rem: Wikipedia can only report what has been published in reliable sources. While I appreciate your efforts, abandoning this policy, Wikipedia:Verifiability, only leads to endless attempts to "improve" the translation. The translation I restored is widely available, e.g. http://chorus.ucdavis.edu/carmina/Carmina%20Burana%20translation.pdf . As for my background: six years of Latin in a German Gymnasium some 50 years ago leave my working Latin probably a lot rustier than yours, but not totally ignorant.
If you find sources with a better free translation, no-one will object to that change. Until then, I strongly suggest you revert your edits to the version with the sourced translation. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 08:28, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Helmut Schmidt

Every other Chancellor has that succession box. Why should Schmidt be any different? You seem to think you own the article - see WP:OWN. Paul Austin (talk) 03:50, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Ever heard of WP:Other stuff exists? Having the same facts conveyed in a succession box and in a navigation box is template creep and adds to clutter. That such clutter is wide-spread on Wikipedia doesn't make it better. I don't know on what your accusation of WP:OWN is based. To allow others to comment on this matter, a discussion at Talk:Helmut Schmidt or some other more visible venue would be preferrable. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 09:07, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Buon Natale

May you have very Happy Christmas, Michael...

and a New Year filled with peace, joy, and beautiful music!

A big Thank You too for all your help at the Opera Project.

Best wishes, Voceditenore (talk) 18:11, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

Arthur Stace Birth-date and place

Hi Michael Bednarek,
Way back in August 2009 you made comment on this Biographical article's talkpage about pictures and their positioning. As you were apparently interested in this page, I thought you may want to make a comment at Talk:Arthur Stace#Birth-date and place as there is a 'controversy' about where and when he was born. At least an IP editor is not following the reliable source, for example: here and here. I would like a few independent editors to weight in with their opinions.
• There is also a current discussion (which I started) at WP:Australian Wikipedians' notice board#Arthur Stace birthplace etc where you can see more details.
Nb. if this is contrary to WP:canvassing guidelines please let me know, though on quick look it seems allowed! If you do not wish to comment that is of course OK too! Regards 220 of Borg 08:16, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

Cinnabar Opera Theater??

Hi Michael,

Merry Christmas! Looks like you do great work for opera! I saw that you removed Cinnabar Opera Theater from American Opera Companies... It was founded as an opera company and has produced opera consistently for over four decades, making it one of the most established opera companies in the San Francisco area. Out of curiosity, did you read the page? Although the Cinnabar Theater produces other entertainment, opera is their bailiwick, hence their music director is opera conductor, Mary Chun. They certainly have a better reputation for opera than several other of the companies in the category. Thoughts? I was going to undo your edit, but I thought I'd engage in a dialogue with you first... mostly, I'm not a fan of a cluttered American Opera Category page (you'll see that little start-up companies are not yet in the category, as the opera community does not yet know whether they'll endure), but if you've been consistently presenting opera reviewed by the major San Francisco/Bay Area print media for almost half a century, I suppose you've earned the listing. This is a funny issue as some organizations use wikipedia for promotion... I don't believe that is the situation here.

Cheers,

I forgot to sign. I am Sbjoiner1, just not logged in at the moment. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.121.194.103 (talk) 16:49, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

Scott — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.121.194.103 (talk) 16:41, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

As I wrote in my edit summary for Cinnabar Theater (and at 3 other companies where you added Category:American opera companies), I removed that category because all these companies were already member of some subcategory (Category:California opera companies in the case of Cinnabar), so there was no need to add them to the parent category; this is called diffusing categories. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 05:00, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

Don Giovanni: info box v. nav box

I've reverted our friend Meister-etc's change and left a note on the article talk page. I hope that he/they get the point. All the best for editing in 2015: keep up your good work! Viva-Verdi (talk) 23:06, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

Forgive me

... that I will not be able to respond to your comment on Beethoven's talk, because by the wisdom of the 2013 arbitrators I am restricted to two comments per discussion (that would include this place, as has been clarified, ANY comment in a given discussion) while others may indulge freely in "bla bla bla" ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:19, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

Untitled

how are you doing today — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.114.10.92 (talk) 19:14, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Stravinsky

I wrote to your Flickr address. Cote d'Azur (talk) 12:58, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

The difference of opinion at List of compositions by Igor Stravinsky can of curse be discussed here or at that article's talk page. — I'm relatively indifferent which works are included in that list and how they are linked, it just seemed to me that works included in the template {{Igor Stravinsky}} should also have links in that article. I know that the main subject of the article Ode (ballet) is the ballet, but it's the closest link we currently have for the work. If you think, such articles, and others like it, eg Monumentum pro Gesualdo, should not be linked in the list, fine – although I would be interested in User:Wildbill hitchcock's, the main contributor, opinion. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 13:57, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
I'm sorry, I was unaware of this discussion. To be honest, if there is no information about Ode in Wikipedia, I think it's better to link it. However, I do notice that having a blue link for it can discourage other editors to contribute or create a new article from scratch, especially if there's such a closely related article. Therefore, if Cote d'Azur wants to take the link down, I won't oppose. Wildbill hitchcock (talk) 16:40, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
Thank you, and here is the new List of compositions by Igor Stravinsky with better links. Cote d'Azur (talk) 16:53, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
It looks very good. However, I would personally move that section to the bottom of the article, as these ballets were made by others (and are not Stravinsky's creations). Otherwise, it is a bit distracting. If you agree, I would also sort them by year of representation, as all the other items on the list. Wildbill hitchcock (talk) 21:26, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
You are welcome to improve the list as you deem appropriate. Cote d'Azur (talk) 21:55, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

John Amadio

Hello Michael,

Thank you for looking at the page about John Amadio. I would be grateful if you also took a Victor McMahon. I think Victor is in the same class as Amadio.

Cheers Gderrin (talk) 22:22, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Michael

Gderrin (talk) 03:26, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

Jesus Christ Superstar

Thanks for reverting my edit here. I'd deleted that based on my misreading that it was referring to The Passion of the Christ, which would have been absurd, rather than Passion of Christ. I should have followed that link to be certain, first. Sorry for my part of adding to the drama. TJRC (talk) 19:14, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

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Hi there, I appreciate your clarifying the issue with adding interwiki links. Rather cumbersome, I must say. Cheers Not Sure (talk) 02:38, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

I agree with you, help me solve it

Hi,

I agree that the external link to musopen is sufficient, but look at this revert and tell me what to do then. If I put the external link only, I get reverted for not stating the info in an article, if I state it, I do get reverted for redundance... Wesalius (talk) 10:04, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

Hi Wesalius. What that editor meant by "0 here that's not in article, it seems", is that there is no information about Chopin at that link which is not already in the Chopin article. Per the guidance at WP:EL these sorts of links are normally removed. Wikipedia isn't a link directory. If those Musopen pages which you have been adding to many articles contain valuable information about the article's subject which is not yet in the article, or other media which the existing links do not provide, then it may be fine to add them. If not they don't belong and will almost invariably be removed. Voceditenore (talk) 13:02, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
I think the external links to Musopen are a useful addition and I haven't removed any. However, a whole paragraph about it is WP:UNDUE and inappropriate. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 13:11, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
Thank you for explanation. I wont add any redundant paragraphs, just the external links. Cheers. Wesalius (talk) 16:46, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

Berlin vs West Berlin

It is ahistorical and inaccurate to call Willy Brandt "Mayor of Berlin" during the period of divided Berlin. He did _not_ govern all of Berlin. Paul Austin (talk) 05:41, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

The title of the mayor of Berlin (and previously West-Berlin or Berlin (West)) always was "Regierender Bürgermeister von Berlin", in English Governing Mayor of Berlin. For details, see the linked articles. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 11:12, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

Engelbert Humperdinck - Singer and Composer

Hi.

I realise that WP:NAMB applies, but I also thought that the exception listed as "Ambiguous term that redirects to an unambiguously named article" applied because they are both music, albeit different fields, and I know people do get confused.

But if you still think not, fine.

Best

Hugh

Hugh.glaser (talk) 13:21, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

And which ambiguous REDIRECTs would that be? There's no REDIRECT at all to Engelbert Humperdinck (composer) (see here), and only 5 to Engelbert Humperdinck (singer), 3 of which refer to "Dorsey", leaving Engelbert Humberdinck and Engelbert Humperdinkel which themselves have no incoming links. I think the current situation, without hatnotes, is just fine. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 13:42, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

Bread and Puppet Performance

Hello,

I am wondering why you keep removing the section I have added under Modern Revivals? This performance was with the Baroque Festival in Montreal, received a number of major reviews and was sold out on each night. The tour in New England was also widely discussed in the media.

Thanks for your response. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mmkelly87 (talk • contribs) 19:52, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

Responded at Talk:Il ritorno d'Ulisse in patria#Puppet Theatre. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 03:38, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

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The name of the opera company in Santa Fe is.....

[capitalised "T" for The]: The Santa Fe Opera. Just fyi. Best, Viva-Verdi (talk) 18:04, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

Just for confirmation, please see the main page of the website where "The" appears under the logo on the top left... Viva-Verdi (talk) 18:17, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
Trusting as I am, I use the company's name as given by its Wikipedia article, Santa Fe Opera. There's no discussion at that article's talk page about "The", unlike Talk:The Royal Opera. I suggest you either boldly move to The Santa Fe Opera or start a discussion. I will of course not revert at Maometto II, but I can't guarantee that I won't do it ever again elsewhere until the article gets moved. Even then, you should be aware of very lengthy discussions on Wikipedia whether mid-sentence capitalisation of The Beatles and such should be required, allowed, or forbidden. I don't care much about the lofty arguments in these discussions, but others might. I mostly use mechanically the article name. All the best, Michael Bednarek (talk) 05:16, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
(watching) Even with an article name equal to the official name, in prose I would not always use that, would say Hildesheim Cathedral (or cathedral) even if we had some long official German article name, Frankfurt Opera instead of Opern- und Schauspielhaus Frankfurt, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:35, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

Three years

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Halévy's columns

My error, I think. Thanks for the correction. In future, if you see something like this, I'd appreciate your making the correction. Best Viva-Verdi (talk) 21:42, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for your update. However, when I looked at the "Works" section as changed, I see only one column on my laptop screen. When I adjust it to:
{ { Div col|col width=30em|rules=yes } } (brackets are separated in order to view code)
i.e. with a space, I get two columns. I seem to remember that when I discovered this system of creating columns (and I think that it was you who kindly pointed it out to me) that the space is necessary. What do you see when there is no space? 1 col or 2? Best- Viva-Verdi (talk) 09:49, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
As I wrote before, the required parameter name is |colwidth=; see Template:Div_col#TemplateData. This parameter will fix the column width and adjust the number of columns depending on the screen width. If an unrecognised parameter name is used, such as |col width=, the template will fall back to its default setting and forcibly display 2 columns. The screen width of your laptop seems to be so narrow that the template decides not to display more than 1 column when it has the choice (when |colwidth= is fixed). When the template is asked – by default or explicitly or by using an unrecognised parameter name – to display 2 columns, it will do so, even on a 4.5" phone screen. That's why |colwidth= is superior to |cols=.-- Michael Bednarek (talk) 11:04, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. Looking at the template and examples given, removing "col width" altogether and just using "Div col|rules=yes" seems to automatically produce 2 cols on my 14" wide laptop. I'm going to save it that way on the Halevy article and see what it looks like on my i-phone. I'm in London right now, but at home I have a much wider, separate screen. Viva-Verdi (talk) 11:37, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
As I wrote before, not specifying a column width will force the template to produce output in 2 columns, on any screen size. If a column width is specified, as many columns as will fit in that width will be shown. If the display is too narrow by only a small amount to accommodate e.g. 2 columns, 1 column will be shown. Let me qualify that: it seems not to be an exact science – the Halévy works list with |colwidth=30em produces 1 column on my 450x960 4.5" phone, 2 columns on my 1280x1024 19" inch monitor, but 4 columns on my 1920x1200 24" monitor. But it looks equally pleasing on each. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 12:52, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

February 2015

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  1. Don't template the regulars, please.
  2. My edit summary at "Silent Night" explained why the previous editor's removal of the comma in "round yon virgin, mother and child" was justified & necessary. In your subsequent edits, you restored that comma, claiming to "restore original", and provided a link to a source that you claimed supported it. It doesn't. Then, after you inserted the source that you mentioned in your earlier edit summary into the article, I inserted the complete text from that source into the article. The next thing you do is place the above template here, but without actually reverting my edit. I'd welcome it if you strike (<s>...</s>) your notification. Pace -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 04:07, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

For the silver-cabinet

The Barnstar of Diligence
For your unceasing watchfulness in keeping WP articles up to the mark and gently correcting well-meant errors. Thank you! – Tim riley talk 19:59, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Links

I checked and double-checked: The External links I added to Marie Gutheil-Schoder and Wolfgang Neumann were not dead. Ephraem 15:10, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

I get "This video is not available. Sorry about that." for both links: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kNww452IvM (Gutheil-Schoder)and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eb7gd1BYQYM (Neumann). I'm going to try tomorrow from the office and from my phone. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 12:33, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
I checked and triple checked: from home, from work, from my phone, both those videos produce the error message I quoted above. You can see screenshots here. Apparently, the clips show for you; do you know anyone else who succeeded? -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 02:28, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) I checked and both links work for me. I'm in the U.S. Usually when there is a discrepancy in viewability (and a message such as Michael is getting), it has something to do with location and/or copyright laws of that location. Softlavender (talk) 03:07, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

Thank you very much for the effort. Regional restrictions for obscure audio recordings applying to Australia – where Game of Thrones breaks all records in illegal downloading? Bizarre. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 03:54, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
For the technically minded: there's a tool at http://gdata.youtube.com/ where a specially crafted URL will return the clip's metadata as an XML file. In case of the Gutheil-Schoder clip, the URL is http://gdata.youtube.com/feeds/api/videos/3kNww452IvM?v=2&prettyprint=true where the returned file includes this line:
<media:restriction type='country' relationship='allow'>US ES PT GB IE IT FI</media:restriction>
WTF? — After 30 further seconds of research, the clips became available through an online proxy, https://www.proxfree.com/. The question remains: why? -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 04:25, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
I'm not sure why Google/YouTube doesn't have Australia on that list for that video. Then again, it doesn't even have Norway, which has the least copyright protection of videos of any country I'm currently personally aware of. Perhaps it has something to do with the ads that Google jams on to the vids; one is forced to watch the ads before watching the video -- and then of course there are lots of extra text ads that Google jams onto the video itself while one is watching the vid. Perhaps right now, the video is only set up for ads targeted at the countries listed. Both videos were uploaded extremely recently, so maybe Google hasn't had time to sell advertising targeted at the countries not yet "allowed". Softlavender (talk) 04:41, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

Kurt Well : Jazz Opera Instrumentation

You should put these back in because it seems that KW's role as a Jazz Opera Composer is being either suppressed or censored in the current articles about him.

The choice of instruments makes his Leider Music very different, but the current articles say nothing of this.

Jazz Opera Instruments

Though glossed over, Kurt Well's Lider music used instruments that were novel (for orchestral use) at the time.

Use or lack of use of these instruments changes the sound of the performed music. Opera houses generally use the originally prescribed instruments, but musical theatre performance groups generally don't.

Notably used, not a complete or authoritative list

  • Accordion (The Three Penny Opera)
  • Portable Organ (The Three Penny Opera, Der Alfstig Und Fall Der Stadt Mahagonny)
  • Saxophone (The Three Penny Opera, Der Alfstig Und Fall Der Stadt Mahagonny)
  • Banjo (The Three Penny Opera, Der Alfstig Und Fall Der Stadt Mahagonny)

Eyreland (talk) 01:38, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

The above text, which you added to Kurt Weill, Rise and Fall of the City of Mahagonny, and The Threepenny Opera, is entirely unsourced and poorly written. Further, it's not clear what point it is trying to make, and consequently, whether it will ever be able to be supported by reliable sources. Somewhat unrelated: you should learn how to sign your contributions to talk pages where you added the text above as well. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 05:36, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for catching my error

Hey, thanks for catching that error I'd made using DisamAssist on the Eon page. One tool that DisamAssist provides is to indicate that something intentionally links to a DAB page. I now know that it's not a good idea to use that tool when the link is already of the form X (disambiguation), as it will turn it into X (disambiguation) (disambiguation)|X (disambiguation), which is totally useless. I've gone back and made sure I've corrected other instances of that error. wia (talk) 13:24, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

2015 in classical music etc

Hello MB: in answer to your query last month on the 2015 in classical music page in your edit there, the answer, of course, is 'no'. However, the edit history of the wikipedian who listed that particular album on that page in the first place explains why it's even there, of course. But you can thus infer why I've added the particular subsequent albums to that section, as a 'contrast'.

Also, as an aside, I would be curious to your opinion as to this potential edit war, as an aside, namely which edit you think is better. Of course, I'm very biased in asking this question. Cheers, DJRafe (talk) 18:25, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

Toreador Song

Hi. I have not seen any other article using the repeat sign. Moreover, what is the problem exactly with the alternative {{pipe}} I used? -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:03, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

The problem can be seen in the version you created where instead of "|: … :|" it shows "|}: … :|}" in the French section. What's the objection against using the magic word {{!}}? -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 11:03, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
Aha. Now I see. It was a mistake of mine. I added an extra bracket by accident. It should be OK now. If you read the documentation {{pipe}} is what you need due to Mediawiki parser. Thanks, Magioladitis (talk) 00:04, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
I, too, missed the extra bracket in your edit and I blamed the wrong output on the template {{pipe}} instead; its now indeed correct. Still, I don't see what difference the Mediawiki parser makes in the treatment of that template and the magic word. The output is certainly identical: &#124; (|). -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 04:33, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
I am also not sure but the Mdiawiki programmers I asked ensure me there is a difference :) I won't dare ask for details. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:51, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Dies irae

"Music inThe Shining (film) was by Berlioz, not by Wendy Carlos". Funny that in The-Shining-Complete-Motion-Picture-Score-By-Wendy-Carlos says she did it?--RicHard-59 (talk) 14:07, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

  • Funny that the source you give lists Berlioz' Symphonie fantastique which does indeed quote the Gregorian melody. If it is claimed that Carlos' treatment quotes the Gregorian melody (an unsourced claim so far), that would be incidental and merely a footnote to the use of Berlioz' material – a quotation of a quotation. The scope of Dies Irae#Musical quotations cannot extend to those. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 04:33, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Spur Award updates

Thanks for the updates to the Spur Award page. I agree they are almost all improvements. The only thing I think is an issue is the integration of the existing category award list WP pages. I updated the list for two categories to use the current name (simply adding "Western") since they still exist, but the two categories you integrated at the top of the list , Spur Award for Best Western Novel and Spur Award for Best Novel of the West, no longer exist as such. I left these alone, since I don't know what to do with them,although they are no longer awarded. I think these two pages are awkward since, for example, Spur Award for Best Western Novel contains both 1985 Best Novel, Lonesome Dove by Larry McMurty, and from 2007-2013 "Best Short Novel". Lonesome Dove cannot be called "short". In 2014 they dropped the Best Short Novel and Best Long Novel categories. As one can see by looking at the pages, they contain a mix of Spur Award categories. I think the categories have changed so much over the years that trying to create pages for each category is the wrong way to go. The westernwriters.org site does not do this, listing all categories and winners by year. Should WP use that approach, pulling in all the awards and winners by year into the main Spur Awards page? Or should there be a Spur Awards 1953 page, a Spur Awards 1954 page, etc? Or should the individual pages be nuked since pointing to the winners list at westernwriters.org is sufficient? Or? Thanks again for the improvements, and for any advice. --Addledrecluse (talk) 15:15, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

My interest in the article Spur Award originated circuitously in Golden Spur which some time ago needed a hatnote to distinguish it from the Order of the Golden Spur. I have no interest or knowledge of the subject, but I know that the way Wikipedia articles were referred to is not in line with Wikipedia guidelines such as WP:SELFREF. The starting point of my edit was to provide a distinguishing hatnote, then I noticed that none of the authors and their works were linked and I fixed that, and then I eliminated the self-reference by trying to integrate articles for awards into the list. As you describe it, that list and those articles may well require a fresh approach, but I'm not one to participate in that effort. All the best, Michael Bednarek (talk) 08:34, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

Persönlich

Hallo Herr Bednarek - haben Sie zufälligerweise mal im Mergelweg gewohnt? Wenn ja, dann bin ich der Nachbar von schräg gegenüber, damals im Kindergarten. Sie haben uns Ihre Spülmaschine geschenkt. Schöne Grüße an die Familie, auch von meiner Mutter --Cobwebber (talk) 14:55, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

Hallo Spinnen-Netzer – meine letzte Addresse in Deutschland war in der Tat Mergelweg 19. Wahrscheinlich war unser Sohn Björn mit dir im Kindergarten. Die Spülmaschine hätten wir nun gerne wieder zurück, da wir vor 2 Wochen von der Racecourse Road, Brisbane, in ein Appartement ohne Spülmaschine in der Ann Street umgezogen sind. Grüße an alle, Michael Bednarek (talk) 05:57, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

Edits to Maria Radner

Hi Michael, I noticed you made this edit to Maria Radner. Please explain here: Talk:Maria Radner#Career and Final Years .282009.E2.80.932015.29.3F why you made that edit, because Wuerzele and I where just discussing about it, and It would be nice to have good communicating while removing this like this, even though they are small. Thanks. CookieMonster755 (talk) 06:15, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

I thought my edit summary made it quite clear why the changed section heading needed to be reverted. My edit overlapped with your discussion and I noticed it only later. Your discussion indicates disagreement with the addition of "and Final Years", so I don't see where the problem is. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 06:23, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
Well it's not too big of a deal Michael. Cheers. CookieMonster755 (talk) 14:20, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

Alte Oper

Die Gezeichneten was not premiered at the Alte Oper, but at the the Frankfurt Opera of its time which is the building that - after destruction in World War II and remodeling as a concert hall - was called Alte Oper only after remodeling. I think a link to Frankfurt Opera and explaining the history there would be helpful. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:30, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

I just copied that from the article's text. The facts are obviously, but not surprisingly, too complicated for an infobox; I'm going to remove the parameter |premiere_location=. As for the facts: that the building was not called Alte Oper in 1918 doesn't make the wikilink Alte Oper, which points to the correct building, less useful. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 11:37, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

Nel cor più non mi sento

Hello Micahel, I am planning a major revision to this article. I noticed that you frequently revise or undo revisions to the article. Would you like to see what I have prepared before I post the changes? I am NOT a regular Wikipedia editor, so I'm not confident about how the "talk" pages work. In breif, the article requires major revision because the song is not an aria from Paisiello's opera... it is a duet. The information given in the music section is accurate only for Parissoti's arrangement as found in "Arie Antiche". I have referrences (mostly primary sources, but also a secondary source). LadyIslay May 18, 2015, 2:14 AM, Pacific.

I had a look at User:LadyIslay/sandbox, where you present many more details and context. On the other hand, your text lacks wikification, particularly wikilinks. Further, the formatting needs some attention. I think it would be a mistake to replace the article's current text with your version. Instead. you should attempt to work your details into the article. A good place to prepare such work is the article's talk page, Talk:Nel cor più non mi sento, where other interested readers and editors can get involved, too. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 19:30, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
Michael: And that's another example.—Finell

I haven't even started adding formatting yet; I was just starting to get the text together. When I it more "ready to go", I'll post it on the article's talk page. Thanks for the suggestion. LadyIslay May 18, 2015, 3:30 PM, Pacific.

Le Postillon de Longjumeau

Hello Michael. I'm sorry to tell you but I find your reverts stupid. I won't fight but writing a french title uncorrectly just because someone wrote it uncorrectly in the en:wp looks stupid to me. The correct french title is [1] as you can check. How someone writing in a foreign language about a work written in another language doesn't feel that respecting the language is the first thing to do? That's a mystery to me. I could understand if it was a translation but here, it's the pure french title that you refuse to follow. Why don't you correct also the "L" from Longjumeau that is probably an offense to your eyes? BIRDIE ® 23:35, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

The spelling of foreign-language operas in the English Wikipedia has been discussed at length among editors. The decision to use sentence case is documented at Wikipedia:WikiProject Opera/Article guidelines#Operas: capitalization and diacritics and Wikipedia:Naming conventions (operas) for the reasons given there. Related discussions can be found in the archives of Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Opera and Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (operas). -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 13:08, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
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