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Academic Ranking of World Universities

Hello, Michael Bednarek. I only italicized that term because both the title and the infobox title were italicized and I was making them consistent. If you want to request a technical move to un-italicize the title, as well as un-italicize the infobox title, it seems that would make them both correct and consistent in formatting. Michipedian (talk) 05:54, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

As the ARWU is not a magazine, I removed the Template:Infobox magazine which removed the italics from the article's name. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 12:48, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
Great, thanks! Michipedian (talk) 21:42, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
(watching) Typically you can make an infobox suppress the italization of the title by adding "| italic title = no" - and if one doesn't it should be changed, example for a working one: {{infobox opera}}, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:58, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

Teh Ring

I would have waited a bit to link my latest baby Jahrhundertring, - thanks for doing it anyway, makes me add sooner rather than later;) - There's a "citation required" on the Ring for the 90 minutes ovations after the last Götterdämmerung, - there's one in the many obituaries, but I don't remember which one. I took the more conservative one of 45, which is impressive enough. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:52, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

October 2013

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Lisa Wilkinson article edits

Hello, regarding your partial reversal of my edits of the Lisa Wilkinson article today, I agree that the change of birth place needs a reference; I was about to add it when I got interrupted and then forgot. Now I'm about to head out so I will add it late tonight or early tomorrow. The ref. I have is 'mainstream', published and accurate. Re your comment "no need to split "Career" into 2" - I realise it is not essential but is there any compelling reason why it can't be two sections instead of one? I intended to add more information to each section and that is why I split it. Thanks for your guidance on the IMDb reference, that is very helpful to me. Cheers. Melbourne3163 (talk) 07:20, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

No need to rush – there is no deadline. As for sections: I think short sections create a longer table of content which is quite irritating in short articles. A section should contain more than only three or four sentences. Cheers, -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 08:03, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

OK, thanks for the explanation. My reference for Lisa Wilkinson's place of birth is The Illawarra Mercury newspaper, 'A Day At A Time', Saturday June 7, 2008 - it says "Wollongong-born Today show host Lisa Wilkinson". Indirect link here Wilkinson PoB. Also the Herald Sun yesterday, 26 October 2013, Home magazine insert, page 39, feature article on her - says "Born in Wollongong, NSW". I can't find that online yet. Do you think one of those is enough? Thanks, Greg. Melbourne3163 (talk) 05:18, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

It is a commonly held misconception that sources ought to be available online – they don't; they just need to be published by reliable sources. See WP:SOURCES and, in the same policy, WP:SOURCEACCESS. Of course, both sources you mention qualify. As for the substance: I don't think that Wilkinson can be considered a 'Gongian; the article says only "born in Wollongong Hospital and has strong childhood ties to the region" and mentions visits to her grandparents but she visited Campbelltown High – not that it matters in getting her place of birth right. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 12:16, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your help and guidance on this. I have also noted and adopted your (better) style of referencing. Cheers. Melbourne3163 (talk) 20:48, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Luisenburg Rock Labyrinth

refers to the name of these rock formations comes thanks to the name of the castle or castle von Luxburg Lynx as the symbol of this family is the lynx, you can check this link https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burgstall_Lugsburg.--Von Luxburg (talk) 14:18, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

That article, de:Burgstall Lugsburg, doesn't mention any of the Luxburgs or de:Luxburgs. — But you should present your point at Talk:Luisenburg Rock Labyrinth where, appropriately, User:Bermicourt raised the matter and where I commented. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 14:39, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

November 2013

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Beethoven's liver

Dear Michael,

I am replying to your ad to the subject of Beethoven's liver, without my looking at the background. I added the article, as a stub, with some notable sources etc and overdone the notable and reliables sources for an IP editor who was contesting and making personal attacks against me at an AfD for an article about Esperanto which I said was unsourced and unreliable (Grin Report). Deliberately I have stayed away while any discussion has ensued. So please forgive me for not adding sources and so on to this article, but once it goes to AfD and I used it as an example, I think it would be unfair for me to add to it. Quite funny (and right!) that someone immediately added an anatomy stub to it, and I think before it had anatomy of real people stub or something. But please excuse me if I seemed rude by deliberately not replying. It is quite right that others have their chance to say, and I have not read them yet.

Sincerely Si Trew (talk) 22:18, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

Technically wrong to take off the PROD: PROD first, CSD later. It was for me to take off the PROD. Sentence first, verdict afterwards, as the White King said. But I have replied in the same as to you User:Cnilep, and thank you both for caring. As I say, I deliberately stayed away. Going to enjoy myself reading the AfD now it's closed. It was POINTy, but we got a stub of one decent article and rid of a stupid one. Si Trew (talk) 22:33, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

Template talk:Birth date

I asked a question at the template talk page, can you help to answer it? Thanks! --HYH.124 (talk) 08:58, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

Crying Wolf

Hi, MB, I've appreciated your editorial support elsewhere. In the case of The Boy who Cried Wolf, it wasn't the anonymous 76/... who added the stuff about kidnapping the sheep. What s/he quoted was, I have discovered, the godawful Victorian version by Townsend. Normally he is faithful to Greek originals but all that stuff about 'cried out in an agony of fear' and 'lacerated the flock' sounds inauthentic for what is usually a brief anecdote followed by a moral. Anyway, it was User:Epicgenius who added that the sheep were 'kidnapped', I suspect because he doesn't know the meaning of the word lacerated. I've moved up the reference in the following sentence of the article to the end of the (now emended) story and hope that will close the matter. Why this particular fable is the magnet for anonymous amateurs and vandals, when there are a hundred others to choose from, I've given up trying to guess! Mzilikazi1939 (talk) 09:33, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

My edit summary tried to convey 3 things: 1) that I restored a piece of text to its sourced spelling and 2) that I had doubts, to put it politely, about the kidnapping of sheep; 3) separately (note the "//"), I wanted to express that I was quite impressed by the summary as inserted by 76/... – although I admit that the language, especially the use of "lacerated", made me a bit suspicious about it being lifted from somewhere. It's all good now, but without doubt further nonsense will be perpetrated there soon. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 13:27, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
Hee-hee-hee! Mzilikazi1939 (talk) 15:36, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Courier-Mail article

Thanks for posting at Talk:Demagogue about the Courier-Mail's use of the article! —Ben Kovitz (talk) 06:36, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

Help creating template for YouTube

thank you for coming forward, I am not sure you are the correct address. I would like help creating a template that would do something like this... when I put add words like this "baruch+agadati" into a template I would actually be generating a saved search for a subject covered in YouTube. This is what I had hoped to achieve when working here. Hope you can help Drkup(IMJ) (talk) 17:36, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

Point #9 at WP:LINKSTOAVOID councels against those kind of links which return search results. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 10:02, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
I thought rules are meant to be bent see [#5 Ignore all rules]. I have seen links and they are very useful for research of Cultural Heritage institutions - see articles on artists (for example, Picasso has search links to many museum collections, etc). Drkup(IMJ) (talk) 16:54, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

Schütz

Remembering your addition of the Botticelli to the WO: how would you name an article about Schütz' Die Geburt unsers Herren Jesu Christi, Historia, der freuden- und gnadenreichen Geburt Gottes und Marien Sohnes, Jesu Christi. (The Christmas Story) (SWV 435)? (I also see "Geburth", is that old German or a typo?) On Oratorio (dab) it comes as The Christmas Story, but then it's no oratorio. Christmas music has Weihnachtshistorie. 1664 in music has Weihnachts-Oratorium (Christmas Oratorio), but see above. I installed a red link for Historia (music) on Historia, as German, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:21, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

I started Christmas Story, with redirects from the two short German versions, as the original title is way too long, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:09, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

MacDougal Street

I finally have some hard, historical evidence to support my contention that Macdougal Street is spelled with a lower-case d. Please see the following New York Times article from Dec. 10, 1910, describing the etymology of the street name: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=FB0912FD3D5C16738DDDA90994DA415B808DF1D3&emc=eta1

Now do you believe me? Now will you please correct the Wikipedia entry? Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.244.117.193 (talk) 00:55, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

(Please add new threads to the bottom of a discussion page.) You indicate that you discussed this matter before. If you want to participate in long-running discussions, I recommend that you create an account on Wikipedia and all your edits can then be seen under your user name.
The document you present is a Letter to the Editor from 7 December 1910 by "A Scotch New Yorker"; I don't think it satisfies the requirements of a reliable source. Anyway, this ought to be discussed at Talk:MacDougal Street. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 02:32, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

BLP Prod

BLP Prod does not assertion Notability as it clearly says, simply that the article fails our strict WP:BLP policy. WP:Before is also part of the AFD process, not BLP.Blethering Scot 18:54, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

I can't quite parse your 1st sentence, but I gather that you PRODed Bernabé Martí not because of lack of notability but because of lacking references. I never suggested otherwise. I did suggest that the lack of references was very easy to fix; my mentioning of WP:BEFORE was simply an attempt to point out that item D3 of that section encourages finding & adding sources before nominating an article for deletion. In fact, even WP:BLPPROD makes a similar suggestion. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 09:19, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

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Opera company

"An opera company in Sydney cannot possibly fail because of "no indication of significance". What are your grounds for this statement? Deb (talk) 12:16, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

  • Harbour City Opera, a company which performs operas from the canon in Australia's largest city and gets reviewed in Limelight and on FBi Radio should not be speedily deleted on sight, without warning, discussion, or opportunity to develop the article. Please restore it. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 12:39, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
    There is nothing in the article about reviews. I recommend you go to Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion if you think I haven't followed the procedure correctly. Deb (talk) 12:43, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
I became aware of the article at 10:30 UTC when it turned up in List of opera companies in Asia, Australia, and Oceania. I don't know exactly when, but some time later I gave it, as I wrote in the edit summary, a "once over & wikify" and added the template {{Refimprove}}; clearly, I thought it needed more work. You deleted the article at 12:01 UTC. My first quick web search showed the reviews I mentioned. You clearly didn't follow WP:BEFORE and I ask you again to restore the page and save me the hassle and backlog at WP:UNDELETE. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 13:09, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
Tell you what, I'll put it in your sandbox so you can bring it up to standard before re-creating it. Deb (talk) 13:48, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

FAC comment?

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From London

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Met-centricity

Hi Michael. Thanks for this edit. I was sorely tempted to do the same. In fact, I wanted to whack out that whole bit. It's subjective, a pointless spam magnet, and wrong. Brownlee, Calleja, Kwiecien, Beczala, and Kaufmann were already stars in Europe before the Met "discovered" them (typical Met-centricity). Plus, Kwiecien, Kaufmann and Beczala debuted at the Met under Volpe, not Gelb, etc. Meanwhile it turns out the Susanna Phillips article was misspelled. I've just cleaned it up from this little unreferenced beauty, complete with COI editors. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 15:08, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Beatrice d'Este

Would you please stop to undo my changes. This article is as wrong as something can be. I have done art historical research and this wikipedia article is spreading wrong info to the public. See here for more info: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Beatrice_d%27Este#The_portrait

— Preceding unsigned comment added by RESA79 (talk • contribs) 13:59, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Your phrasing implies that I continually undo your your changes to the article on Beatrice d'Este; that is not true – my only previous edit improved the display of your PDF paper in that article, File:Ritratto di Dama - Anna Sforza.pdf, a file which you managed to get deleted twice. I restored File:Ambrogio de Predis - Ritratto di una dama.jpg after you removed it because it is used by every other Wikipedia for this article and your empty edit summary gave no reason for its removal. Your explanation at Talk:Beatrice d'Este was only made 9 minutes later. I also improved the article in a dozen other ways in my edit, all which you reverted summarily. I'm going to restore those and continue the discussion about the image at the article's talk page. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 08:49, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

Wolfgang A. Mozart

Dear Michael, you reverted some of the edits to my own posts on the Mozart talk page. I realize now that there is a thread order, which will help me also on other wiki pages. Thanks! Since it seems that you are following the Mozart page, I wanted to ask you why posters from Germany have apparently succeeded in banishing the fact that Mozart was from Austria from his page. Every other composer is mentioned according to the same standard (in which country is the birthplace today). Furthermore, Salzburg was an independent Vatican possession at the time of Mozart's birth and became part of Austria later. But it was also not part of Germany nor of anything that later became Germany, which did not exist for another 90 years after Mozart's death. To categorize Mozart as a German seems therefore completely baseless and preposterous. How can such a case of bullying happen and be successful on Wikipedia? — Dirpio (talk • contribs) 14:04, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

RfC concerning the article name for Broadway

Because you were involved in a previous discussion on the subject, or related to the subject, please see RfC: What is the best name for the article about the street called "Broadway" which originates in Manhattan? BMK, Grouchy Realist (talk) 02:36, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

O mio babbino caro

I added Jackie Evancho to O mio babbino caro for the simple reason that she is notable. Therefore I'm puzzled by your blunt contention that she is not notable. You can look through Jackie Evancho for evidence of notability (there's plenty). So, please, do you have anything that could substantiate your denial of her notability, or are you simply being contentious? Note: in matters of Notability, your opinion should be irrelevant. Santamoly (talk) 22:10, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

I agree that Evancho need not be mentioned at O mio babbino caro, as hundreds of notable singers have sung and recorded this song. The article already mentions that various classical crossover artists sing the song. Nevertheless, the song is one of Evancho's signature pieces - she sings it at most of her concerts, it's on her Gold album, Dream With Me, and it was the song that, more than any other, made her famous. But even [[Maria Callas is not mentioned in the article, although her version is one of the External links. A note about Evancho's general notability: She has a platinum album (and was the youngest person in history ever to have one), a gold album and has been invited to perform at numerous high profile events, including the National tree lighting, and MLB, NHL and NFL games. She was the youngest person ever to give her own concert at Lincoln Center's Avery Fisher Hall, she has headlined a concert at Carnegie Hall, and she has performed her own concerts with numerous symphony orchestras around the country. She has two PBS Great Performances specials devoted entirely to her and has been a guest on the Tonight Show, the Today Show and nearly every talk show. She was the subject of a 20/20 report and you can see at the bottom of the article that she is the subject of 200 press articles. That's just for starters. -- Ssilvers (talk) 00:33, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
"I added Jackie Evancho to O mio babbino caro for the simple reason that she is notable. Therefore I'm puzzled by your blunt contention that she is not notable."
  • Adding every notable singer of "O mio babbino caro" to that article is a distraction. I didn't dispute Evancho's notability, just her performance of this aria. I admit that was probably prejudicial and may have been prompted by the current ballyhoo about Amira Willighagen's performance, of which I've heard some deplorable examples.
I still maintain that adding a list of performers to this article and others like it doesn't improve the understanding of the work; adding this aria to those singers' biographies seems more constructive to me. Evancho was mentioned among about 20 others in this version from August 2010. That list then got culled about a week later by Ego White Tray and by me in the following 9 months. I maintain that the whole section "Cultural resonance outside opera", every single entry, of the version from August 2010 had to be removed. As for Evancho: it was pointed out at about that time that the downward transposition of her performance by several steps was a good reason not to list it; although I can find no transposition in this 2009 performance, but the performance in September 2010 on America's Got Talent clearly is. However, like many other cross-over singers (C. Church, K. Jenkins, S. Kyrkjebø), Evancho is not an opera singer and listing her here will not contribute to the the readers' understanding of this aria. I note that the aria is mentioned several times in her article. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 06:13, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
"Adding every notable singer of "O mio babbino caro" to that article is a distraction."?
Distraction from what?? I'm not sure that we should be weighing your assessment of the notability of notable content. We all agree that Evancho is notable, and there's no harm in including additional notable performers. What harm is there in some notable "distraction" if it's notable? Santamoly (talk) 09:56, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

Postini

Postini issued a EoL on all of its services in 2012 indicating that all Postini's services and infrastructure would be terminated. As far as I'm aware Postini was discontinued and transitioned over to Google Apps Platform on equivalent services last year as per their statement on Google's site:

Provide evidence that Postini has not been discontinued.

--ShadowlessClick (talk) 05:52, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

a) The second of the links you provide contains: "We will not schedule any transition deadlines for the period of December 15, 2013 to January 13, 2014. Transition deadlines may be scheduled for dates before and after this period." In other words, the transition is still in progress and not yet completed. b) My company is still using it; the most recent bill arrived yesterday. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 05:59, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
Point taken. They seem to be a bit behind schedule. I'll make the change back when the transition is complete. Thanks for the taking the time to reply. -- ShadowlessClick (talk) 06:04, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

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Bridal song

It was only one bride then, which makes more sense to me than a mass wedding ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:34, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

But that version of Wie schön leuchtet der Morgenstern translated the plural "Gläubigen Seelen" as singular "believing soul". Since then, the English translation also uses the plural, so the pronoun has to reflect that – unless one argues that the believing souls have to be seen as a singular collective. But even then, the German uses the plural "irem" (ihrem) which translates straight to "their", not "her" because there is no female precedent, although I can see how mentioning a "bride" might confuse people. Some of this florid baroque language is enough to make adults in choirs giggle. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 12:33, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
I believe the translation with singular (wasn't it yours?) is better. Unfortunately, "ihrem" would be the same for both singular and plural bride, because it only reflects the singular groom. A singular bride makes more sense to me ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:35, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
But there is no "bride" in that sentence ("no female precedent" above). "irem/ihrem" can only refer to the "gläubigen Seelen". If "her" is put into the phrase instead of "their", what would it refer to? -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 13:20, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
If I may quickly butt in here: there is in fact a singular antecedent: der Seelen. As Gerda rightly pointed out in some earlier edit of hers some years ago [1], this form can be a genitive singular in early modern German. So-called weak feminine nouns regularly had -en-endings in the genitive singular in medieval German, and kept them at least in regional usage well into the 18th century (cf. hymn lines such as ... du meiner Seelen Zier, or phrases such as unserer Lieben Frauen, etc.) Fut.Perf. ☼ 13:41, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
Although I'm familiar with German texts back to the Hildebrandslied and the Merseburger Zaubersprüche, the grammatical ambiguity of "der Seelen" eluded me in this context. "Ein [...] Brautlied der Gläubigen Seelen" seemed so clear cut to me. I apologise to Gerda who was correct all along and I'm sorry for the distraction caused. It just goes to show that it's not always easy to keep an open mind. Thanks to your intervention, the matter is now resolved. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 04:10, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
Thank you, both (look on my talk for the phrase "nice to feel understood"), - and I keep sunrise on my user page even if I don't feel it ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:23, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

Musikverein

Just wanted to let you know that it wasn't me who changed the images on that article...all I did was change the link to Nikolaus Dumba. I hate the way the review page stacks edits..you never know who really did what. WQUlrich (talk) 21:07, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

To boldly bold?

Hello. Just a very small query regarding part of an edit summary you kindly made on the Chopin Preludes page. I was a bit surprised at being advised not to use the semi-colon formatting option for the Notes/References subheadings when it's used in this way in some FA (e.g. in Gabriel Fauré). Thanks again, 81.147.165.192 (talk) 16:06, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

The wiki code of a semicolon creates HTML code for a definition list. Using it purely to achieve the bolding of a term has been long-standing practice by Wikipedia editors. It was pointed out some time ago that this practice confused screen readers and I believe several projects have alerted their members to discontinue its use. The most clearly stated advice I can find at the moment is at Help:Wiki markup#Definition lists, or H:DL for short: Do not use a semicolon (;) simply to bold a line without defining a value using a colon (:). This usage renders invalid HTML5. Cheers, -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 00:16, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
Ah, that explains it. Thank you very much for the reply, 81.147.165.192 (talk) 09:14, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

Technical question

Hi Michael. What's the difference between {{reflist|30em}} and {{reflist|2}}? They both produce the same visual result, at least in my browser (Firefox). Best, Voceditenore (talk) 15:39, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

(watching) to my knowledge the first renders columns of that widths (which may be 1, 3, 4, depending on how big your screen is), the second always 2, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:34, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
Gerda is correct; see Template:Reflist#Parameters. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 00:07, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, both. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 06:59, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

Christoph Willibald Gluck

Why did you delete a valid place of birth and place of death... is this data not always of central importance in a biographical entry? Cheers... --Rpm bln (talk) 10:38, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

As I indicated in my edit summary at Christoph Willibald Gluck, MOS:BIO requests that "Birth and death places should be mentioned in the body if known, and in the lead if they are relevant to the person's notability; they should not be mentioned within the opening brackets." (my emphasis) -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 13:03, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
(watching) I know and obey if I don't forget, but it doesn't make sense to me, and de-WP has it the other way, time and location together within the bracket, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:08, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
I agree with you, and I don't follow this recommendation deliberately in very short articles where the separation of a person's vital data would be very awkward. However, them's the rulez, and Gluck is not a short article. I think the most recent discussion, quite lengthy, is Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Biographies/2013 archive#POB in WP:OPENPARA from March last year. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 13:21, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
The best way to combine those vital facts can be seen here ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:03, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Edit in Piano Sonata (Stravinsky)

Hi. I very much appreciate your explanation for your last edit on the article Piano Sonata (Stravinsky). However, I still think it would be useful to put that information in the article if the work has been featured somewhere else. As done in similar articles (this one, for instance), I think it can be interesting to some people. Specifically in this case, the article is not very long and the composition is not really well-known, so I think it would be convenient to add that information again. Thanks for your attention. Wildbill hitchcock (talk) 00:09, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

In my removal of the section "In popular culture" I applied my reading of WP:POPCULTURE. It suggests 3 tests, 2 of which apply here: Have sources pointed it out? Did it cause any real-world events? A: No & no. I'm not going to fight for its removal if it gets reinstated. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 06:26, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
That sounds very reasonable. Thank you. Wildbill hitchcock (talk) 09:54, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

The Marriage of Figaro article

Just wanted to let you know that I had to go back through several "edits" to find your last version after an anon IP, User:187.233.75.12, had "edited" the article - revealing a total lack of knowledge of the English language.... 'Twas a mess.... Best - Viva-Verdi (talk) 02:15, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Grazie – although those edits made the omission of "Se a caso madama" obvious; now added. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 02:34, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

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The "normal" User tlh templates populate User tlh-1…tlh-4 categories as they should. But tlh-0 actually means no tlh, nevertheless ending up in the parent User tlh category — at least if used with the #babel extension. The #babel extension or the old {{babel}} can't handle nocat. Please suggest a better solution; notably I didn't see this issue on de:, and commons: uses my quick & dirty __HIDDENCAT__ hack. –Be..anyone (talk) 14:48, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

I don't know what you mean when you refer to "tlh-0". When you made Category:User tlh a hideden category, I reverted that because similar categories in Category:Wikipedians by constructed language are not hidden either. I thought my revert kept that category within the normal scheme for such categories. If you want to make it hidden again, go ahead – I'm not going to change it again. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 03:53, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

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Thank you for fixing the odd age sorting difficulties for ages <12 on the Köchel catalogue, I appreciate it. ZSNES (talk) 01:49, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

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You reverted my edit on Help:Sorting, which is no problem, but I'll explain what I meant, and why this section appears confusing to me. I said "stops sorting" because whereas on the earlier tables clicking "Surname" sorts by surname, clicking "Surname" on this table takes you to a WP article (and clicking on height is worse, sending you to a browser-generated page (I guess) explaining why example.com isn't there). OK, I understand that if you link the heading of a table it is now a link, and not a sorting button, but I think this could be explained rather more explicitly -- and in general it seems like a bad idea, since the heading ought to be something you already understand. Meanwhile, the explanation claims "(tooltips over links will indicate the sorting operation)", but (at least in this browser) actually the surname tooltip says "Surname", and the link goes to the WP article, which may be OK but does not match the claim, and the height tooltip says "Sort ascending", but it actually goes to example.com, which matches the claim, but seems quite unsatisfactory. Comments appreciated - thanks. Imaginatorium (talk) 15:22, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

I reverted your edit because the point of the section Help:Sorting#Header styling, links, and markup is obviously to demonstrate links in headers. In my browsers – FF 22, IE8, Chrome 30 – hovering and clicking on the little up/down arrows to the right of the header text work as described in the text. I don't understand what you hope to achieve by removing the links from this section of the help page. If you want to remove the facility of linking text in table column header text, I suggest you start with a proposal at Help talk:Sorting. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 04:49, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

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Nadine Secunde

Thanks for helping to improve from a stub created by copying when tired ;) - There's a date of birth on IMDb, but I hear so often that it isn't regarded as a reliable source, what do you think? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:43, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

It's not a reliable source, but it's not often wrong and it's got to be better than nothing, unless it's challenged. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 01:23, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, will remember, - someone else found a better source in this case. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:34, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

Re Lear category

The general one is the only category which seems to work, since Verdi does not appear to have written any music for this libretto. Viva-Verdi (talk) 01:29, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

Robert le Diable poem

La Complainte de Robert le Diable est un poème écrit par Louis Aragon en septembre 1945 et paru dans Les Poètes en 1960, aux Éditions Gallimard, sous le chapitre : Spectacle à la Lanterne Magique. Ce texte où Louis Aragon rend hommage au poète Robert Desnos a été mis en musique et chanté par Jean Ferrat. La chanson intitulée Robert le Diable, parait en 1971 sur l'album Ferrat chante Aragon. Mike Hayes (talk) 04:18, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

After some ferretting, I think you are complaining about my revert at Robert le Diable. As I wrote in that edit summary, there's nothing to disambiguate as there are no other articles with that title. Also, all links to that page intend to go to Robert le diable, emphasising the need for such a REDIRECT. Even if an article on Aragon's poem should ever be written, it would have to be called "Complainte de Robert le Diable", very different to "Robert le Diable" and not requiring disambiguation. An article about Ferrat's chanson would be called "Robert le Diable (Ferrat song)" and a hatnote at the opera would point to it. Given the promenince of Meyerbeer's opera, the only possibility for a disambiguation page would be Robert le Diable (disambiguation), but there's no need for it at this time. BTW, your addition to Robert the Devil (disambiguation) contravenes serveral principles at MOS:DABENTRY. All the best, Michael Bednarek (talk) 04:52, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

revert on EGP

I would like to request that you undo your revert of my change to EGP. The page as you reverted it fails to list an important class of routing protocols used between autonomous systems -- without EGPs, you would be unable to connect to wikipedia.org. The same name was used in the past for an individual routing protocol, which is no longer in use. I added a reference to the entire class of exterior gateway protocols -- which is quite important in routing today, arguably more important than the obsolete EGP. The obsolete EGP should be retained for historical reasons, but the current EGP (the class of exterior gateway protocols) should take priority over it.

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Please add new threads to the bottom of the page and include a link or diff relating to your question, especially one regarding an edit in February. As I wrote in my edit summary, I mistook your edit to EGP as only duplicating a link which was already present in that disambiguation page. It turns out that there are two different articles, differentiated only by case: Exterior Gateway Protocol and Exterior gateway protocol. In my defence, I point out that you had piped the link to the latter to spelling of the former, so they both appeared the same. That's one of the reasons why MOS:DAB cautions against piped links in disambiguation pages. You might also notice that that guideline recommends only one linke per entry. I'm going to restore your edit with these changes. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 01:32, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Thank you. I agree that it is confusing to have two articles with such similar names, but it does seem to be necessary. Thank you for restoring and fixing up what I did. Esb (talk) 04:19, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

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Porgy and Bess

Thanks for removing the "Impressario's" input. It was also copyvio [2]. I subsequently discovered and repaired two more instances of his self-promotion at A Chorus Line and West Side Story. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 18:41, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

He's still at it and has been reverted again. I've left warnings on his talk page. WP:COIN is next if he doesn't stop or engage. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 06:05, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

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"Converts to Christianity from Judaism" is the most inclusive category and the more specific are derived from it. Therefore, I think we should preserve it on the Roda Roda article. Alexander Tendler (talk) 10:21, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

The editing guideline Wikipedia:Categorization#Subcategorization says exactly the opposite. Alexander Roda Roda was already in Category:Converts to Roman Catholicism from Judaism; that category is, i. a., in the Category:Converts to Christianity from Judaism, thus placing Roda Roda in that more general category "Converts to Christianity from Judaism" is redundant. In short, with very few exceptions (the so-called "non-diffusing" categories, e. g. Category:Operas), pages should only be categorised in the most specific category possible. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 11:43, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

Sophie Wyss

Many thanks for doing the honours on the article talk page. I must in conscience say that I think B class is exceedingly generous for this not very substantial article. To my way of thinking, as the (so far) sole author, C class would be more the mark, and I shouldn't have been outraged if it had been rated Start class. If you were to reconsider and downgrade the rating there would be no protests from this quarter, but if not, then thank you very much. Tim riley talk 13:18, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

I looked at WP:WikiProject Biography/Assessment#Quality scale and compared the C- and B-class criteria and the article seemed much closer to the latter. Since then, the article has received considerable attention, as I knew it would, so I'm not going to change my assessment. Mind you, I came to my conclusion by just skimming the text, and I wouldn't object to a different assessment. Cheers, Michael Bednarek (talk) 05:52, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
Well, I'm grateful for your scrutiny in any case. Thank you. Tim riley talk 16:01, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Peter and the Wolf "humour"

Dear Michael, unfortunately it goes a bit further back than that. I've taken it back a few more but goodness knows what else is in there. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Chamberswing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/AdamFall http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Littlephone

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Thank you for your corrections. I suppose any edit to Peter and the Wolf by an editor without a edit history in a related field should be reverted on suspicion; WP:AGF only goes so far. The article is still quite a mess and I think the breakup of the table of recordings into blocks by decades (which misspell the decades, too boot) is visually ugly and reduces usability; I had its reversal on my to-do list since 1 June and I'll try to get that done within a week. Cheers, Michael Bednarek (talk) 09:59, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

"Do not use categories in user space"

Dear Michael, thanks for the tip. I assume that means my draft was showing up in the category lists before you made that change, which is obviously not a good thing. Did I do the right thing by using the 'nowiki' markup on this page? User:Athomeinkobe/Expressway Thanks in advance. AtHomeIn神戸 (talk) 12:23, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Yes, using <nowiki>...</nowiki> at User:Athomeinkobe/Kato will prevent that page showing up in categories which are meant for Wikipedia articles. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 12:28, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

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NMA NBA

Thanks for the explanation of the NMA template. Is there something similar for NBA (Bach)? So far I simply quote, like this for BWV 172, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:48, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

I'm not aware of any music external link template for such links to the Digital Neue Bach-Ausgabe. It would probably be quite simple to construct such a template, but the gain doesn't seem all that significant to me. Still, here's your chance to dip your foot into the murky waters of template coding. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 08:07, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
I just wanted to know if there is one which I didn't know, but - as you told me before - NBA is something else. I coded {{infobox Bach composition}} and {{Benjamin Britten}}, so am not afraid, but don't see improvements in this case, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:38, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

Need some advice on a German name

Hi Michael (and Gerda, if you're watching). I'm going to create an article on Sophie Dietz (or Diez) later today. She created Magdalena in Die Meistersinger von Nürnberg. I'm not sure what the primary title should be. The German Wikipedia spells it "Diez" (de:Sophie Diez) as does the 1903 source on which it is based (Ludwig Eisenberg: Großes biographisches Lexikon der Deutschen Bühne im 19. Jahrhundert . But modern sources including German ones spell it "Dietz", e.g. [3], [4]). "Sophie Dietz" with a redirect from "Sophie Diez"? Or the other way 'round? Best, Voceditenore (talk) 09:23, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

Six of one, 1/2 dozen of the other. Her husband appears at de:Ernst Friedrich Diez and he has 2 VIAF entries: http://viaf.org/viaf/60216516/ & http://viaf.org/viaf/8173005/ but their searches for Sophie in both spellings lead to http://viaf.org/viaf/77059223/ where the spelling is Dietz. http://thesaurus.cerl.org/record/cnp00547329 also give Dietz with Diez as variant. The Bayerisches Musiker Lexikon Online treats her similarly, both searches leading to http://www.bmlo.lmu.de/d0219 – Dietz. On balance, I think the Dietz version is better supported. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 09:43, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
Yes, I am watching the page of the first Wikipedian ever to ask me a question ;) - First, in this case I don't think it matters too much, as her time was not picky on the spelling of names, and the pronunciation difference is minimal. I follow Michael and the bmlo, Dietz. Thanks for creating "her"! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:52, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, both! Sophie Dietz it is. I'll expand it tomorrow. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 17:20, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
I have more trouble with the name of the opera house which at the time was probably "Königliches Hof- und Nationaltheater", as the Meistersinger article says. I don't think it's known well enough that Bavaria was a kingdom then, and "state" had a different meaning from today's Bundesland, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:55, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

Height

Actors do not have height present in the infobox unless they are noted for it like Danny Devito or Gwendoline Christie. Just because articles talk about it doesnt mean it goes into the article or her infobox LADY LOTUS • TALK 13:06, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

The notification wires got crossed and I read them in the wrong order; that's why I wrote at User talk:Lady Lotus before noticing this. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 02:27, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

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WP:BURDEN

I'm happy for you to restore the challenged/deleted material. But in accord w/WP:BURDEN. With a relevant RS inline citation. --Epeefleche (talk) 01:31, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

A diff would have been nice. – I guess you refer to this edit at Cranger Kirmes. If so, your edit accepted that the fair started in in the 15th century as a horse trading market, but you challenged i.a. that it's now a funfair. That challenge means you believe it's still a horse trading market and I called that going against common sense. That leaves a banal statement, probably unprovable, about the parallel growth of the Kirmes and the Ruhr area, which I flagged with {{Citation needed}}, although I believe it's not contentious. There are a few contentious matters about the Cranger Kirmes (see its history and talk page at de:Cranger Kirmes), but the departure of horse traders and the fair's expansion is not among them. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 13:29, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
Material that does not satisfy wp:v need not be "controversial" in your view to be properly deleted. If the material fails to satisfy wp:v and is uncited, it is subject to deletion per wp:v. But, in contrast, for you to restore the challenged/deleted/uncited material, you certainly need an inline citation to a RS source per wp:BURDEN. I'm happy for you to retain it, if you supply the require inline independent RS citation(s). Epeefleche (talk) 01:54, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
I didn't write that I consider the statement that the Cranger Kirmes grew parallel to the growth of the Ruhr area is not "controversial", I called it "not contentious" in the sense of WP:CHALLENGE which restricts the need for citations to "material challenged or likely to be challenged" and because WP:V falls under the pillar of WP:NPOV which cannot possibly be levelled against the statements in question. I'm aware of the circular argument that through the mere fact that you removed it, it becomes challenged, and I regard that line as wikilawyering. No one could argue that today's number of visitors of about 4 mio is not the result of population growth of the Ruhr area. Whether such a banality belongs in the article, is another question. There are better ways to improve Wikipedia than chanting the mantra of WP:V with religious fervour against undeserving targets. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 11:04, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
Challenged uncited material requires an inline cite, if it is to be restored. Full stop. Epeefleche (talk) 05:45, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Queensland Conservatorium of Music - Griffith University

I would like to comment that the reason why I removed the red links for Clare and Miriam Gormley was because of problems, in the past, with some other users of Wikipedia who have objected, on more than one occasion, to red links for people who do not have a page on Wikipedia (and who have gone so far as to actually remove the names with red links, altogether, from the pages they were on, commenting that people with red links were not notable). I wished to avoid such problems, again, when I separated Clare and Miriam from a single line entry for both their names, to a separate line for each of them, so that their names would continue to remain on the page (especially as I did not want their names to be deleted by those editors would object to red links). The links would have been restored when pages have been created for these two very talented opera singers. I would have appreciated you contacting me personally, about the reason for my edit, before you reversed my edit (your wording made it appear that I was guily of vandalism for removing the red links). Figaro (talk) 08:47, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

First, I seriously did not at all intend to make your edit appear as vandalism; if you interpreted it that way, I'm sorry. Second, WP:RED is worth reading and it will help to ward off editors who might be overzealous in removing red links. Third, I follow these rules when deciding whether red links are worth preserving or not: a) looking at incoming links (Special:WhatLinksHere/Clare Gormley & Special:WhatLinksHere/Miriam Gormley in this case) and making some judgement about the significance of those incoming links; b) googling the name and making a judgment whether the person would have a chance for a Wikipedia article. The blanket assertion that persons without Wikipedia article are non-notable is an obvious fallacy – it assumes that Wikipedia is finished and all notable people have articles. Cheers, Michael Bednarek (talk) 13:29, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
Thank you for explaining. As I mentioned, I was worried, because of the red links, that Miriam and Clare Gormley's names might be deleted by some other editor. I experienced this strong bias against red links on the article List of Brisbane people and took part in an exchange with the editor on the talk page for that article (Talk:List of Brisbane people). If you read the exchange between the other editor and myself, you will notice how determined the other editor was about removing names with red links (stating that the people were not notable) - and how strongly I was defending the red links. After such an experience, I was worried about Miriam's and Clare's names, and did not want to experience such bias again. As I mentioned, this bias against red links has happened with other editors also. Cheers. Figaro (talk) 07:43, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
I'm sorry for your experience at List of Brisbane people. I'm aware of the argument "WP:Write the article first" and I've used it myself when I think it's applicable, subject to some evaluation of the specific situation. Many lists are riddled with non-notable vanity entries and maybe it's understandable when some editors take the removal route first. On the other hand, the notability requirements for list entries are markedly lower than they are for for articles – they have to merit articles, not necessarily have them – (but verifiability is an often overlooked firm requirement), and some editors need to be reminded of that occasionally. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 11:04, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

Dead or alive

Your "dead horse" analogy amused me. My horse baby seems to thrive in good hands, look at an opera, Klavierstücke and mass, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:33, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

WP:Archive.is RFC 3

Did you get confused, or did you intentionally misrepresent my arguments at the RFC? I'm hard put to see why my arguments would be thought of as supporting continued use of archive.is.—Kww(talk) 13:54, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

Neither. Your, and the others', line of thinking lead me to my conclusion. Unsubstantiated illegalities, pointless & disproved hysterics about advertising and malware, resorting to "lacking social skills" and "something fishy" all convinced me that a lot of knickers became knotted but that there is no substance to support the blocking/removing argument. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 13:39, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
What would it take in your mind to demonstrate that the likelihood of a legally-obtained set of proxies including residential IP addresses in multiple countries mixed with server farms in a different set of countries is zero?

The Death of Klinghoffer and User talk:77.96.230.11

Just FYI: I see that your reversion of this IP's additions has been reverted. And then your edited was reverted. Therefore have posted on the IP's Talk page a note about the 3-revert rule. You might want to keep an eye of this - as shall I. Best, Viva-Verdi (talk) 17:19, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

Mount of Olives

Hi Michael, Thanks for fixing my error. Opus33 (talk) 15:47, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

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Template:Vincenzo Bellini

Haven't a clue how these things work! Just copied a template over from some other composer.... Any help you can give will be appreciated.... Viva-Verdi (talk) 03:46, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Whoops, just re-read. I have had nothing to do with Romantic template....Viva-Verdi (talk) 03:47, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
I tried to convey two things in my edit summary at Template:Vincenzo Bellini: a) as the template didn't have any categories, I added Category:Romantic composer templates; b) my doubts about a navigation template which contains many items which, as they are not links, don't help the reader to navigate. My suggestion in such cases, following WP:NAV, specifically WP:EXISTING on red links and unlinked text, is to omit such text. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 09:10, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

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