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Hatnote Discussion

Hello all! After some editing at Thor: Love and Thunder regarding the use of a hatnote for Marvel Studios: Assembled in its "Documentary special" section, there is now a whole discussion at Wikipedia talk:Hatnote#Hatnote overuse? regarding this and an alleged "overuse" of this, which would benefit from the perspectives of other contributors here, given we strive to keep our articles consistent. Trailblazer101 (talk) 04:02, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Agatha All Along

Thanks to those helping out with the clean-up after this name change, and thanks to everyone here for their continued good work across the MCU articles. - adamstom97 (talk) 22:53, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks adam, and right back at you! It's good to have you back helping out with the cleanups lately. Trailblazer101 (talk) 19:33, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

New "Marvel Television"

[1] [2] Things just got trickier. Unlike Marvel Animation (which ended with no clear resolution), we don't have a separate article for the "new" Marvel Television. Unless such an article is created (not fan of this idea though), the old Marvel Television is the primary topic, but a redirect should be created for the new branding/division or Marvel Studios links should be piped as [[Marvel Studios|Marvel Television]]. InfiniteNexus (talk) 23:04, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

I don't think a separate article should be made either, and I will note I don't think we know if this is an actual new unit or if it is just Marvel Studios repurposing the name as a production banner that has been a possibility since it was folded years ago. We should probably add about the name being repurposed by Marvel Studios in the Marvel Television#Studios label section which would also point to the Marvel Studios article. Trailblazer101 (talk) 23:08, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

This should definitely be treated like Marvel Studios reclaiming the "Marvel Television" brand and not the old Marvel Television entity returning. I think we just need to say "As of X, Marvel Studios began using the name Marvel Television with its series projects" or something like that. Any links should go to the Marvel Studios page rather than the Marvel Television page. - adamstom97 (talk) 23:11, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

I guess the thing that will be the most tricky will be what to do with section headers and List of Marvel Cinematic Universe television series actors. Personally, I would say "do nothing" and clarify through hatnotes. InfiniteNexus (talk) 23:17, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

I concur. For years, Marvel Television has referred to the company launched in 2010 and their series. I don't think anything needs to be changed drastically anytime soon, given the WP:RECENTISM of it all. Trailblazer101 (talk) Trailblazer101 (talk) 23:23, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Agreed. - adamstom97 (talk) 23:41, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

I have created two DABs to help aid in navigation: Marvel Television (disambiguation) and Marvel Animation (disambiguation). Given there was no real contention to one for the Animation being made, I also felt it best to have one for the TV side. Trailblazer101 (talk) 03:41, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

If this ends up being the same as X-Men '97, which says "Marvel Animation" in the logo but "Marvel Studios" in the main credits, then we could go with "produced by Marvel Studios as Marvel Television" or "produced by Marvel Studios' Marvel Television" or something like that. - adamstom97 (talk) 23:53, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

I think that we could go with something to the effect of "produced by the Marvel Television label of Marvel Studios" or "by Marvel Studios via the Marvel Television label" if this ends up being the case. Trailblazer101 (talk) 01:59, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

I have tried out some updated wording at X-Men '97: "produced by Marvel Studios, via its Marvel Animation label". Thoughts? I'm also questioning whether we should be listing "Marvel Animation" as the production company in the infobox. I've just watched through the X-Men '97 credits and it only lists Marvel Studios all the way through, including in the final logo which is what we usually base production company credits on. The only place that "Marvel Animation" is used is in the opening logo, so it feels to me that we should be treating "Marvel Animation" as a division of Marvel Studios whose name is used for marketing purposes rather than as a separate production studio. The same will probably apply for new series with the "Marvel Television" label. - adamstom97 (talk) 12:34, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

I like that approach. It does seem increasingly likely that “Marvel Animation” and “Marvel Television” are labels. Trailblazer101 (talk) 21:00, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Also, just in case anyone was wondering, I found a proper version of the logo and uploaded it to Commons here. I do also want to re-address the other Marvel Television logo that has been used in the past. I know it was removed, despite being on Commons, because it wasn't clear if it was used in any official capacity.

However, in the name of providing a visual distinction between the two, I did a little digging and found that while that Commons file was uploaded in June 2016 without an immediately clear point of origin, I did find the earliest use of this is in a ComicBook article about Marvel TV's SDCC schedule from June 2015, leading me to believe it was sent to the site via a press release. It has also been used by IGN, CBR in 2018, and in 2019 by CBR again and Gizmodo.

There's also this logo, which has its earliest use dating back to Sep. 2017 from Flickering Myth, or a more standard logo used for the auctions here, here, and here. I'm just putting this all here to see what we want to do (if anything) now that there are two different subjects of this name and it may be better to have more distinct visual identification for them. Trailblazer101 (talk) 02:01, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

It's tricky to tell since they only used the standard "Marvel" logo for the TV show logos, but either of those would help differentiate from the Marvel Studios logo style. - adamstom97 (talk) 11:29, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Winderbaum says in this interview that "Marvel Studios, Marvel Television, Marvel Animation, even Marvel Spotlight" are different brand labels that are being used to indicate that audiences don't need to watch everything Marvel produces, so I think we are right to treat Marvel Animation and Marvel Television similarly to the Marvel Spotlight banner and still use Marvel Studios as the actual production company behind each project. - adamstom97 (talk) 13:32, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

X-Men '97

There is a discussion at Talk:X-Men '97#Inclusion in the Disney+ Multiverse Saga row that is relevant to this taskforce. This show is not set in the MCU, but Disney+ is listing it as part of the MCU's multiverse so it may be that we should be treating it the same way that we treat other multiverse shows like What If...? and Your Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man. - adamstom97 (talk) 10:09, 17 May 2024 (UTC)