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Nominator(s): MSincccc (talk), Keivan.f (talk) 17:00, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We have collaborated on enhancing the article Catherine, Princess of Wales by updating its sources and refining its prose. With our combined efforts, we believe the article is now ready for submission to FAC. We seek to present a comprehensive and well-researched portrayal of Catherine's life and contributions, and we are committed to ensuring its accuracy and quality throughout the review process. Your feedback and support would be greatly appreciated as we endeavor to achieve recognition for this important piece of work. Regards. MSincccc (talk) 17:00, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Image review

  • Suggest adding alt text
    • Done.
      • Further fixed a few alt text for a neater presentation and enhanced accuracy.
  • File:CatherineSignature.svg: signatures are not generally PD in the UK
    • Removed.
  • File:Cambridge_family_at_Trooping_the_Colour_2019_-_03.jpg is quite poor quality
    • No other pictures of the five of them together exists on the Commons. Personally I think it's better than nothing, though if the Community thinks it's of no encyclopedic value then we'll discard it.
  • File:Royals.18d884.1850611.jpg: source link is dead
    • It was uploaded by User:Janwikifoto. His identity has been verified and archived in the Wikimedia Volunteer Response Team Software, to which I do not have access. But given their track record I really doubt that there is a copyright issue here.
      • It appears that that user has had a number of images deleted over copyright concerns. Nikkimaria (talk) 04:34, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
        • Removed it as a precautionary measure to avoid problems down the line. Keivan.fTalk 04:44, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • File:Arms_of_Catherine,_Princess_of_Wales.svg needs a tag for the original design. Ditto File:Coat_of_Arms_of_Kate_Middleton.svg, File:Coat_of_Arms_of_Catherine,_Duchess_of_Cambridge_(2011-2019).svg, File:Coat_of_Arms_of_Catherine,_Duchess_of_Cambridge.svg, File:Combined_Coat_of_Arms_of_William_and_Catherine,_the_Duke_and_Duchess_of_Cambridge.svg
    • These are the sources: 1, 2, 3. They are already cited in the article's body, so I suppose you want them added to the file descriptions?
      • Those sources indicate these designs are copyrighted? Nikkimaria (talk) 04:33, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
        • The arms were recreated by User:Sodacan for use on the Commons and many of them are in use at Coat of arms of the United Kingdom. There have been some discussions about some of the arms and monograms (1, 2, 3) and the result has been mostly 'keep' since they can be classified as original work. I think even the BBC copied them from us in two instances (1, 2). Keivan.fTalk 04:57, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
          • It does not appear that those discussions arrived at the conclusion that these are original work - two were discussions unrelated to copyright, and the third involved a design old enough to be PD. Nikkimaria (talk) 13:33, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
            How should we proceed then @Nikkimaria? Regards. MSincccc (talk) 13:39, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
            • You'd need to either find appropriate tags for these or remove them. Nikkimaria (talk) 14:38, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
              @Nikkimaria Should I temporarily remove them until I can find suitable tags for the noted images? Regards. MSincccc (talk) 14:44, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
              @Nikkimaria Removed the images mentioned from the article in the absence of an appropriate tag. Regards. MSincccc (talk) 15:05, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
              • Yeah, remove them for now. But this is beyond the scope of this discussion. I single handedly cannot determine the copyright status of several coats of arms which is why I'll most probably start a deletion discussion on the Commons to address the issue. Keivan.fTalk 15:33, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
                • Coats of arms should be OK as long as they are drawn from the blazon and not direct copies, per Commons:Commons:Coats of arms. DrKay (talk) 16:40, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
                  • Should I re-insert the Coat of Arms that have been removed then without an appropriate image tag @DrKay and @Nikkimaria? Do let us know. Regards. MSincccc (talk) 17:18, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
                  • I started a discussion on the Commons before seeing your message. If Commons:Commons:Coats of arms does indeed apply then I can withdraw that deletion request. Otherwise, I'll let the community decide because we are here to discuss the content of this article not the copyright status of several coats of arms in detail and I feel this discussion is going off track. Keivan.fTalk 17:35, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
                    @Nikkimaria and @DrKay Do you have any further suggestions for us regarding the images? Looking forward to your responses. Regards MSincccc (talk) 06:25, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
                  • @Nikkimaria: Re "needs a tag for the original design"—there is no original design for any of these. Coats of arms are rendered based on their blazon—a written description in standardized language. Each rendition is an original work in its own right. These files are, indeed, missing the {{Coa blazon}} tag, which clarifies this issue, but in terms of copyright and licensing they are all already appropriately tagged. Fvasconcellos (t·c) 02:56, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
                    • Based on the feedback received here and at the deletion discussion, I have restored the coats of arms. There is nothing wrong with their copyright status apparently. Keivan.fTalk 18:44, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • File:Potternewton_Hall_Estate;_home_of_Olive_Middleton_(nee_Lupton)_and_her_cousin_Baroness_von_Schunck_(nee_Kate_Lupton).jpg: when and where was this first published? Nikkimaria (talk) 04:11, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • The uploader is still active on the Commons so I left a message to enquire about the file's origin. I'm waiting for their response. Keivan.fTalk 04:44, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Removed the image. I did not receive feedback from the uploader despite waiting for almost a week. Keivan.fTalk 18:44, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Nikkimaria Do you have any additional suggestions regarding the images used, their captions, and licensing? If so, please share your thoughts. Thank you for your feedback. Regards. MSincccc (talk) 07:50, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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