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MLB Maps[edit]

Hello there, thanks for your contributions. We are having a conversation about the MLB maps you added to the MLB season pages at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Baseball/Archive 50#Recent maps added to MLB season articles. It has been moved to Expansion of Major League Baseball, 1961 Major League Baseball expansion, 1962 Major League Baseball expansion, 1969 Major League Baseball expansion, 1977 Major League Baseball expansion, 1993 Major League Baseball expansion, and 1998 Major League Baseball expansion. Again, thank you for your contributions. - BeFriendlyGoodSir (talk) 06:15, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wild card standings on MLB season pages[edit]

I have started a discussion at the WikiProject Baseball talk page regarding your recent addition of the wild card standings tables to the MLB season pages. Your feedback is welcome. isaacl (talk) 20:04, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Howdy. I think you should practice bringing your ideas to WP:BASEBALL & seek a consensus for them, there. Rather than boldly making additions to MLB season & MLB team season pages. GoodDay (talk) 20:53, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

MLB team map templates[edit]

Hey, I noticed you created 50 MLB team map templates (such as Template:MLB Team Maps (1966–1967)), but you've not used them on any article. Unused templates eventually get sent to WP:TfD and deleted. Please actually use them where you intended to. Gonnym (talk) 12:56, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

They were being used. I WP:BOLD added them to every MLB season page, until it was reverted. Discussions seemingly died out quickly, as I need to make sandbox's for other users to see how these templates can fit into articles. Spesh531(talk, contrib., ext.) 13:52, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, that makes more sense now. Gonnym (talk) 15:54, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Any update on the maps? Template:MLB Team Maps (1953) and ~30 others are still unused. Gonnym (talk) 07:41, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
At the moment no... it seems discussions died out (again). I'll need to stir up discussion again. I know some users are waiting on an RfC from me regarding the addition of content to MLB season pages, which includes the maps. (I actually need to mass-edit the maps and shrink them a little before the RfC). Spesh531(talk, contrib., ext.) 14:36, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Copying within Wikipedia requires attribution[edit]

Smile emoji Hi Spesh531! Thank you for your edits to 1993 Major League Baseball expansion. It looks like you've copied or moved text from History of the Miami Marlins into that page, and while you are welcome to re-use the content, Wikipedia's licensing requires that you provide attribution to the original contributor(s). When copying within Wikipedia, this is supplied in an edit summary at the page into which you've copied content, disclosing the copying and linking to the copied page, e.g., copied content from [[page name]]; see that page's history for attribution. If you've copied material between pages before, even if it was a long time ago, please provide attribution for this duplication if it has not already been supplied by another editor. You can read more about the procedure and the reasons at Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia. Thanks! DanCherek (talk) 23:37, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Will take note of that next time I copy! Spesh531(talk, contrib., ext.) 23:39, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

NATO Enlargement Map[edit]

Hi there, I made a number of fixes to the File:History of NATO enlargement.svg file on the Commons. I didn't touch the color or bodies of water though, I just went about fixing the validation errors I mentioned before and aligning the years and the year boxes, which hadn't lined up for a while, and had started getting slightly wider in 2009. There were also layers that were unnecessary if just put in a certain order, a remnant of File:Blank map of Europe (with disputed regions).svg. I do have one question, is the lack of a border between East Germany and the rest of Germany intentional or an oversight? I'm happy with it either way, but will fix if it's an oversight. And thanks again for leading the charge to get this to some consensus colors. -- Patrick Neil, oѺ∞/Talk 17:31, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That was intentional! A hard border implies West and East Germany are still separate countries (at least it does to me). And thanks for fixing the validation errors (I guess the Blank Map of Europe needs to be re-validated? I'm unsure). And thanks for fixing the years! I had copied it over from a previous version (which one? I don't remember 🙃) and had only slightly adjusted the 3 in 2023, as it was coded differently than every other digit.
And it's no problem!! Spesh531(talk, contrib., ext.) 14:15, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

MLB rivalries[edit]

Please refrain from adding total runs "tiebreakers" from MLB rivalry results templates. This tiebreaker is not sanctioned by MLB or either team involved in most cases (there are limited exceptions, such as the Lone Star Series which awards a trophy to the winning team including a stipulation for a total runs tiebreaker). This information should only be added with references showing the two specific teams officially recognize this as a tiebreaker. Frank Anchor 18:21, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

1914 and 1915[edit]

Just an FYI - a broad consensus was reached a couple years ago that the Federal League standings, stats, etc., do belong on the 1914 and 1915 MLB articles, so it probably needs to be moved back. MLB officially recognizes the Federal League and counts its stats as part of player's MLB career stats. Further discussion here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Baseball/Archive_48#Federal_League_records_in_the_1914_%26_1915_Major_League_Baseball_season_pages

I like the maps though. I wonder if it makes sense to include the maps side by side above the standings, like on the 2022 article, two maps side by side at the same width. Jhn31 (talk) 02:05, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jhn31 Ah, yeah that makes. I'll start a discussion back up. I definitely jumped the gun on that 😅. There's the fact that the seven Negro Major Leagues of 1920–1948 were not a part of the MLB pages, and that MLB's website for the 1914 & 1915 seasons do not show Federal League stats and standings, even though sites such as Baseball Reference do consider those leagues in the same regard as the Federal League. There's recognizing a league as major league tier, and then there's whether it's recognized as a part of the organization known as "Major League Baseball".
Regarding the maps, I originally had the maps side-by-side with standings. I've been recently inspired by the Major League Soccer season pages to have that Teams section (as can be seen in the pre-1925 season pages at the moment) and have the maps next to that. The maps-next-to-standings idea work only pre-1969. Once you get into the division era, it becomes more and more awkward to have the maps next to the standings, especially from 1994–present. Spesh531(talk, contrib., ext.) 02:26, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ah you know what! I see the Federal League is only in the stats on MLB's website but does not have show the Federal League's standings or schedule, while they do not show anything for the 7 Negro Major Leagues. Spesh531(talk, contrib., ext.) 02:31, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Personally, I think every season page should include every league considered to be "Major" by MLB and sites like Baseball Reference but the Wikipedia community of baseball editors has been mostly against bringing the Negro Leagues in for 1920 through 1948 for whatever reason. Jhn31 (talk) 02:37, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm personally of the belief that we should follow one of the two extremes:
  • MLB season pages should strictly be for the NL and AL (and in fact, the 1901 & 1902 pages should be separate NL & AL pages à la AFL & NFL 1967–1969 seasons even though Super Bowl I-III took place these seasons), as any proper cooperation between the AL and NL didn't begin until 1903 with the National Agreement.
  • All leagues 1876–present that are considered major league should be included on season pages à la baseball-reference.com. Granted, I'd be tempted to make a distinction where any pre-1903 seasons are "1### Major league baseball season", where only the first word is capitalized since the all-caps "Major League Baseball" refers to the proper organization.
To make things even more confusing, MLB celebrates 1869 as the inaugural Major League season (even though its website is only dedicated to go back to 1901), a year that pre-dates even the 1871–1875 NA, which has its major league status in question. I personally like the first extreme, as it has season pages dedicated to leagues as they existed at the time. Spesh531(talk, contrib., ext.) 03:09, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I actually had another suggestion for the maps, and this is a bit ticky-tack, but I think the yellow and orange are kinda hard to distinguish. What would you think about using:
  • American League
    • Red - single division
    • Violet/Yellow - West/East
    • Violet/Red/Yellow - West/Central/East
  • National League
    • Blue - single division
    • Cyan/Green - West/East
    • Cyan/Blue/Green - West/Central/East
Jhn31 (talk) 02:40, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not married to any color scheme! I was simply following the color scheme from the map here (while yes, I made that SVG file, it was based on a PNG file that I did not make). I think the theme the original map maker was going for was warm colors=American League, cool colors=National League. I personally like that myself (but it could very well be my familiarity with it). I like the idea of there being continuity in the color scheme that you have here (where the single division and West/East colors are all different), though I'm not really thrilled with Cyan and Green, as it I think it leads to the same issues as Yellow and Orange. I'm currently trying to get the orange button to be slightly less yellow, so before anyone goes and makes changes to the dozens of labeled maps, maybe the slight adjustment will help and the status quo could be maintained. Spesh531(talk, contrib., ext.) 03:55, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't feel that strongly about the colors either, but I'm just trying to think what the six most easily distinguished colors would be, probably RBG/CMY. I propose something like this for the alignment of maps and standings. The drawback is that it would require separate templates for each league, not MLB as a whole.

Standings[edit]

Jhn31 (talk) 15:25, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

1923 page proposal[edit]

Just wanted to see your thoughts on this one: User:Jhn31/sandbox/1923 Major League Baseball season. Basically I took your draft and reorganized it a bit. Jhn31 (talk) 03:09, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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