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Section sizes

Section size for Wagner Group (39 sections)
Section name	Byte count	Section total
(Top)	33,184	33,184
Origins and leadership	1,124	12,536
Yevgeny Prigozhin	4,955	4,955
Dmitry Utkin	5,370	5,370
Konstantin Pikalov	1,087	1,087
Organization	7,653	24,833
Recruitment, training, techniques	9,844	9,844
Units	12	7,336
Rusich unit	3,777	3,777
Serb unit	3,547	3,547
Relationship with the Russian state	18,020	23,545
Wagner Group rebellion	5,525	5,525
Activities	543	66,780
Ukraine	1,012	27,564
Crimea annexation and War in Donbas	10,825	10,825
2022 invasion of Ukraine	15,727	15,727
Belarus	7,075	7,075
Syria	8,012	8,012
Africa	4,256	21,238
Sudan	4,109	4,109
Central African Republic	5,260	5,260
Libya	3,580	3,580
Mali	4,033	4,033
Venezuela	2,348	2,348
Possible activities	24	8,514
Moldova	962	962
Nagorno-Karabakh	5,043	5,043
Serbia	680	680
Other	1,805	1,805
Casualties	19,483	19,483
Sanctions	8,799	8,799
Plane crash	3,962	3,962
Far-right elements	6,769	6,769
Awards and honors	9,079	9,079
Post Yevgeny Prigozhin's death	3,580	3,580
Notable members	719	719
Citations	29	29
Further reading	4,105	4,105
External links	1,192	1,192
Total	227,109	227,109

Africa Corps[edit]

This article lists "Africa Corps" as an alias for Wagner.

When I looked at the source and a bunch of other ones, it seems that it's being used to replace Wagner, not to rename it.

Slope Interceptor^Talk 13:53, 22 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sources such as? Slatersteven (talk) 16:33, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wagner group ranks 121.6.199.197 (talk) 16:31, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sources? Slatersteven (talk) 16:33, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Should we start a new article, taking the title from what's currently a redirect to Rommel's Africa Korps?

So far, I've added a hat note over at Africa Korps. "Africa Corps" currently redirects there.

However, we usually rename our articles when companies change names. Should we move this article to the new name of Africa Corps? (If so, the hat note should instead be here, saying something like "For the WWII German expeditionary force, see Africa Korps").

PS. Please don't lazily ask for sources when it is trivial to find lots of them, just google "africa corps wagner". Here are just some random ones:

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CapnZapp (talk) 06:28, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In source 2, it says that the Africa Corps is under RuMOD control and is a new organization with a new structure. It might becuase wagner is a bunch of companies and not 1 single entity, but this organization seems to replace Wagner entirely, and isn't a rebrand. Slope Interceptor^Talk 15:26, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

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Add Asia to the list of continents where there have been operations, as Syria and parts of Russia are in Asia. IrisArgo (talk) 22:25, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done Jamedeus (talk) 22:35, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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In the Serbia section of "Possible activities" it says "being training" when it should say "being trained". AshtonWest032 (talk) 17:01, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done Jamedeus (talk) 18:18, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Logo before 2023?[edit]

I remember the patch of a skull in a sniper reticle being prominently displayed on the article in the past. Was it removed due to copyright reasons? Surely it'd fall under fair use, right? It baffles me that the older and more notorious design wouldn't be shown anywhere on english wikipedia, let alone the dedicated page. EnzarelX (talk) 03:50, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] ttps://adf-magazine.com/2024/01/with-new-name-same-russian-mercenaries-plague-africa/

[2] ttps://english.elpais.com/international/2023-12-23/russia-expands-into-the-sahel-with-its-new-brand-africa-corps.html#

[3] ttps://www.newsweek.com/russia-new-africa-corps-hamper-us-clout-libya-putin-sudan-wagner-1845516

[4] ttps://www.theafricareport.com/331580/investigation-how-putin-is-taking-control-of-wagner-in-africa/

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