Talk:Greece–Palestine relations

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Bilateral relations[edit]

@Ofek j: Why have you added "quotation marks" to Palestine? I recently added a source that confirms there is bilateral relations between the two states. Why did you restore your content again?--Sakiv (talk) 21:23, 26 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

There are no bilateral relations because "Palestine" is not recognized in Greece. The Hellenic Parliament can RECOMMEND recognizing but the government itself can do whatever it wants to do. Ofek - User talk 06:05, 27 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

There are bilateral relations as you can see in the sources even if there is no embassy in Athens but represenative office. You should understand that and not use "Palestine". Self-revert or I report you for violating WP:ARBPIA restriction. You are not allowed to edit Arab-Israeli conflict articles..--Sakiv (talk) 06:16, 27 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"When states recognize one another as sovereign states and agree to diplomatic relations, they create a bilateral relationship."
— Bilateral relations, Wikipedia

as you can see, it's not happening here. Greece doesn't recognize the PLO as a country, so there are no bilateral relations between them. The representative office is not important because it's not diplomatic. Best Regards. Ofek - User talk 09:38, 27 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

To editor Ofek j: As it states at the head of this page, you are not permitted to edit this article until you reach 500 edits. Meanwhile, you are restricted to this talk page. As it happens, you are correct that Greece and Palestine don't have full diplomatic relations, but they do have some bilateral relations and there is no reason to omit them from the article if they are properly sourced. See here for proof that bilateral relations are not zero (I'm not saying this is a sufficient source). Zero^talk 12:17, 7 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

If Greece doesn't recognize "State Of Palestine", they can't have bilateral relations, but economic and political relations without official recognition, like the relations between the USA and Taiwan for example. Your source is irrelevant because there are no diplomatic relations, so the mission can't be diplomatic, it might be an official PLO office without a diplomatic recognition in Greece. Ofek (talk) 13:25, 7 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The title of the article is "Greece-Palestine relations", not "Greece-Palestine diplomatic relations". Zero^talk 23:12, 7 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

To editor Zero0000: So you have to be precise in terms. There is a big difference between bilateral and political/economic relations. saying that Taiwan and the USA have a bilateral relationship is a lie just like saying that here. Ofek (talk) 06:16, 8 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Needless to say, the article should be as precise as possible. However you seem to misunderstand "bilateral". It just means "involving two parties" and it doesn't have to involve diplomatic relations. Zero^talk 07:39, 8 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I read this deliberation punctiliously and all I can say it's that you guys in the English wikipedia's editors community are pro-Palstine and biased a lot when it's come to Israel. ניב (talk) 20:29, 8 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Reading this talk page I find the current content of the article generally accurate. However the last sentence is misleading: it should be clarified that the decision of the Greek Parliament does not have any real implications for the Greek government (right? This is only based on what I read in this talk page. I did not dig into this subject). Tzafrir (talk) 21:21, 8 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Almost certainly it is the administration and not the parliament that makes agreements with foreign parties, but at the moment there is a lack of good sources to base the article on. If you know of any, that would help. Zero^talk 23:31, 8 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]