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Like many other articles, which have been extensively edited by the same group of banned editors and socks most of the article's content is an unintelligible mess of bad use of bibliography and an even worse understanding of basic historiography. The cleanup will take about a week or so.--Maleschreiber (talk) 05:41, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I will explain various points for the curious reader who visits the talkpage. In this edit, I have removed the talking point that Some of Gjon's subordinates held the title of kephale (..) and some had the position of čelnik The editor(s) wrote that piece misunderstood the fact that these are different descriptions in medieval correspondence in relation to the different recipients and the corresponding titles in their language. It doesn't mean that there different people to whom others referred to as cephale/čelnik/castellan. It's a common practice throughout medieval correspondence which because of a lack of basic understanding was transferred in this manner on wikipedia.--Maleschreiber (talk) 05:57, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Gjon Kastrioti did not die in Hilandar on May 2 or 9, 1437, because he was alive on May 28 or March 28, 1438, see Jireček, Konstantin, Geschichte der Serben, Vol.: 2,1, 1371 - 1537, Gotha, 1918, p. 183: "Gjon Kastriot was still alive in March 1438: Ljubić 9, 214 and Jorga 3, 33. Two Serbian notes, however, give the date of death as Thursday, May 2 or 9, 1437 (6945): Stojanović, Zapisi 1, no. 270-271." He died some were in before July 7, 1439 Ungjited (talk) 14:22, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ljubić Listine, 9, has it as: "XXVIII, mai 1438", while Jorga Notes, 3, has it as: "28 mars 1438". Probably the correct one is Jorga's, since he publishes the actual source. Ungjited (talk) 15:16, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]