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History sections

I have split the history into two main sections like commented on the peer review. I have tried to cut all of it into a bit which we leave on the main page but i am finding it hard there's so much. All the history is in the two "other sections" so we just need to trim the history down.

(Everlast1910 14:26, 7 May 2007 (UTC))

Search engine broken?

When you search for 'Aston Villa' in the wikipedia search box, you don't get Aston Villa F.C. as a hit. You actually have to search for Aston Villa F.C. Does this make sense or is the search engine broken? user:dzof 03:58, 4 November 2003 (UTC)

The search engine is broken. RickK 04:01, 4 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Gareth Barry

I've just changed Gareth Barry's listing from defender to midfielder as that's where he plays most of the time. Feel free to change it back f you don't agree. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 62.56.10.158 (talk • contribs) 21:03, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

The Unprecedented Statement - Another first

Yet again the Villa are first to do something, yet again they give you a reason to be proud to support them, and yet again optimism rears its head. Lads, you can be proud of yourselves for being the first club of players to have the balls to raise a statement of dissatisfaction with your chairman. You can hold your heads high tonight. FORZA VILLA! Martyn Smith 18:51, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Should this section be in the main article if the club have denied it being true on their official site? Gretnagod 00:56, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
The club's article is just a weak spin Ucdawg12 06:11, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
I've removed the unprecedented statement - until there is confirmation either way it is unencyclopaedic. Gretnagod 11:41, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
What kind of confimation are you looking for? Many respectable news organizations have covered this, where as the club site denies it with no quotes or sources. Ucdawg12 19:32, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Foreign manager

<blockquopte>Jozef Venglos - the first foreign manager ever to take charge of an English top-flight club</blockquote

There have been plenty of Irish pmanagers before hand. All of whom would consider themselves foreign, please change to something like "first manager from outside the UK or Ireland" --Dodge 14:29, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

I've made these changes. Feel free to copyedit but please do not revert to the inaccurate statement --Dodge 01:43, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Cleanup

This article could do with a cleanup.

  • There are far, far too many subeadings.
  • Per consensus at WikiProject Football, reserve and youth players should not be included unless they have squad numbers.
  • The all-time league positions, while valid information, take up a disproportionate amount of space. A graph like the one one Sheffield Wednesday F.C. would be a better alternative.
  • Transfer ins and outs should not be included. Wikipedia is not a news service.
  • Trivia should either be incorparated into another section as prose, or removed. Oldelpaso 17:43, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
As my removal of the transfers section was reverted, I'll elaborate on the above before I make any further changes. This article should be an overview of the club through its 100-odd year history, not a recap of recent events. In line with similar decisions at Arsenal F.C. and Liverpool F.C. to name but two, I intend to remove the section and replace it with a link to the "Transfer Deals" section of 2006-07 in English football.
Things like transfer news do, however, fall under the remit of Wikipedia's sister project Wikinews, if anyone wants to do a writeup there. Oldelpaso 19:13, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
There's too many external links. I've removed those already internally linked or blatantly commercial, but half a dozen fans sites is excessive, guidelines suggest one major one. Could someone with knowledge please rationalise the links StopItTidyUp 12:50, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
Agree with the comment about the subheadings - as is the case for almost every football club article that AlexWilkes has edited. As further edits have been built around them though, it's more than just a case of deleting the headings. Markspearce 12:10, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
Oct 2006 - Have reduced the number of sub headings in the history section. User:Villafanuk 14:25, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Steve Staunton

I'm pretty sure Steve Staunton was the club captain during the 02/03 season. Mellberg only captained the team when Staunton was injured, if I remember correctly. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Deanster123 (talk • contribs) 17:13, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Managers

Maybe someone could put a "WIN LOSE DRAW %" for each manager? (Everlast1910 21:54, 29 April 2007 (UTC))

citations

This article lacks references and many parts are very opinionated, so I added some requested citations. But for some reason another user just went and removed them all..... without adding any references. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.133.15.84 (talk • contribs) 21:10, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

I removed them for two reasons - firstly, you are an IP user - please register if you want to discuss this and change an article so considerably. Second, claiming that some of the passages are opinionated fals under WP:POINT - it's best to discuss any need for citations in this Talk page, rather than a wholesale addition of cite tags Superlinus 14:54, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
Show me the rule that says IP users are not allowed to edit pages. and why does adding cite tags count as disruption of Wikipedia. it should be seen as an assistance because it tells people what needs citing. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.133.12.186 (talk • contribs) 00:48, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
There is not a rule. I do agree, I added a few citations and put a plee for more in my edit summary. This (and quite a few other premiership articles) needs them. It should be raining citations on articles on Premiership clubs, because they're such a big topic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cream147 (talk • contribs) 07:45, 14 February 2007

I would like a citation for the 'first club in europe' statement. I've been trying to get a definitive answer to this for ages (The Guardian says Hibs were the first British club in europe in 1956 but don't give a date, Man U are the firt English club in UEFA, etc). I'll come clean - I am a bluenose - but I am only after facts here. The earliest reference I have for an English (and British come to that) club playing in a European competition is Internazionale Vs Birmingham City, on Tuesday 25th May 1956 (in Italy). If you cannot find an earlier date for the Villa game then I suggest you remove the comment - just to save arguments. If you can find an earlier date, please state it - thanks, decent article (and I'm biased). 80.195.27.120 20:36, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

it pains me to say it, but you're right. Though, as a caveat, I must point out that the team officially represented Birmingham city, rather than Birmingham City, and only included purely Blues players because Villa declined to send any players. The claim to be one of the first clubs in Europe, however, refers to post-Heysel. Superlinus 20:53, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
Sorry to cause the grief - it wasn't meant as bragging rights or anything just to stop arguments in the office. Wiki is now seen as definitive by some. Thanks for the clarification. See you next season. WBluejohn 20:46, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
Just for your info, Hibs first competed in the European Cup in the autumn of 1955 and so were clearly the first British club to compete.Largo1965 20:57, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

HOW DO U CREATE A PAGE?

How do u create a page on this? plz tell me WebSurfer 21:09, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Have you looked at Create_a_page? LeeG 22:40, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Greatest Players

Please consider their career at Villa when adding in great players - for instance, Collymore, Solano, Davis (yet!) and Baros are not amongst Villa's all-time greats! Superlinus 22:46, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Well Superlinus, I disagree. The list encompasses only the most worthy players to have pulled on the famous claret and blue. My argument being that the Villa have had many 'notable' players down the years (especially in recent years!) that do not merit a mention. Players such as David Ginola, Peter Schmeichel, Stan Collymore etc were all notable but they are not worthy of a place on the list. This is why I named the list 'Greatest Players'. User:Villafanuk 19:21, 5 March 2007
But on what basis are you deciding who is a famous player and who is not? Perhaps if the list was of Fans' Player of the Season, then fine. As it is, it is not citeable and clearly fails WP:NPOV. Not that it's just this club's site - a few others are as bad and are also being looked at Gretnagod 21:57, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
Who said anything about famous players? It's a list of the players that have contributed most to Aston Villa's greatness. This can be cited by the number of trophies they won whilst at the club, longevity of career at Villa, popularity at the time etc. My choice of the word greatest reflects this and not simply their noteriety or fame. I do not think it is merely a matter of personal opinion, i think it is something that has obvious credibility. You look at any history of the club and those same names appear every time. That is because they all played an important part in the Villa story. User:Villafanuk 22:10, 5 March 2007
I would then respectfully suggest that if you want to keep the players currently on the list, you should ensure that those without Wiki articles have articles created, even if just stubs. Gretnagod 23:09, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
Seems fair to me - I was a bit surprised one was zapped as I had (erroneously) guessed his insertion had been discussed before. Cheers! LeeG 22:58, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
I agree, they should only be players who achieved something with villa, nobby solano was a good player who played for villa for only a season. I will remove him.Woodym555 20:56, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
Paul McGrath. There is only one God. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.69.237.30 (talk • contribs) 22:35, 13 February 2007
Right then...how can we name a list of "notable" or "famous" players without citing anything that makes them notable or famous. This needs to be explained or the section should be deleted due to WP:NPOV Gretnagod 19:10, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
I think we should go with 100 appearances or something like captained the club to a trophy and of cause 81 league and 82 cup winning team should all be in there. (Everlast1910 09:40, 7 May 2007 (UTC))

Criteria for Notable player

I have put this in: if anyone wants to change it please feel free. When adding a notable player please take into account is this player actually worthy of the title and to be listed. 1) Played over 100 games for Villa 2)Set a record such as Youngest player to score a goal 3)If you think a player is worthy add them in then reference why you think they should be in the list.

  • Also please put players in alphabetical order (Surname) to make the list look neater*
100 games will still result in a very large list - List of Aston Villa F.C. players might be a better place (see List of Liverpool F.C. players or List of Manchester City F.C. players) Oldelpaso 11:05, 7 May 2007 (UTC) P.S. Everlast: you can sign your posts on talk pages by using four tildes (~~~~).

Sorry Oldelpaso thought i had (Everlast1910 16:31, 7 May 2007 (UTC))

Season-by-season table

I think this is a great idea for following a particular clubs progress through the seasons. I think we should have one of these tables for every top flight club. Funkyduncan 23:05, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

I agree (Everlast1910 21:53, 29 April 2007 (UTC))

Thankyou - it took a while to do!! Villafanuk

History section too encompassing

Aside from being written like an essay, the stuff about the founding of the FA Football League really doesn't belong in here. I'm going to try merging those bits into the FA a more appropriate article, and making this article's history more concise. Chris Cunningham 14:08, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Subheader reduction

Some of this was recently reverted without so much as an edit summary. I've collapsed these again. Feel free to explain why these headers (and accompanying MoS-abusing capitalisation) are necessary. Chris Cunningham 08:43, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

I edited it because it looked unwieldy and was out of character with other Premiership articles, reducing the current squad to mere "staff". I'd pretty much like to see this article look uniform as far as Current Squad goes, but I'd like to hear your justifications for the way you'd see it presented Superlinus 14:38, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
That other Premiership articles have too many subheaders isn't a great justification; I can, hoever, only work on a finite number of things at once! The header reduction is first and foremost a way of trying to figure out how the page should really be proportioned; I'm tempted to suggest moving the almanac-type stuff to a sub-article and leaving this article for text. Most team article on WP consist of nothing but statistics, so providing all the stats one can is good idea; however, Villa have a lot of history which makes the article very long in its current state. Chris Cunningham 15:31, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
WP:CON does indicate that the Aston Villa article should fall in line with other Premiership articles. Before making such widespread changes I suggest you discuss this at [Football] where much good work is being done on all football articles. I would agree that the History section of the page is long and unwieldy, and would welcome a way of shortening it, but one which recognised Aston Villa's unqiue contribution to modern football. I'm going to edit the Current Squad section back in line with other Premiership articles and urge you to discuss this on WikiProject Football before continuing on your lone path. Thanks Superlinus 18:15, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Recent Editing

This editing is nothing short of vandalism! Chris, I'm afraid you have no understanding of Aston Villa's proud history and it's integral role in the formation of the Football League. We didn't found the FA!! It is clear you havn't even read the article properly!

I believe that any article citing the history of Aston Villa should mention William McGregor etc. Also, why have you taken it upon yourself to change all the subheadings, they were much better before. You havn't even consulted anyone on your proposals. I find the changes you have made offensive. I have spent countless hours getting this article up to the standard it is and your treatment of it is not respectful of the club. Villafanuk 11:01, 22 March 2007

I've reverted this. There was next to no content removal, so I'm not sure what you're on about regarding "Villa's proud history" not being reflected. Copy-editing to remove the magazine-style headers ("Phoenix from the flames" - I mean, come on) is a no-brainer. I'm open to discussion of individual edits; nobody WP:OWNs this article, so its development should proceed through the normal WP:BRD process. Chris Cunningham 11:50, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
I accept that nobody owns an article, but that doesn't mean to say that all changes are for the better. As I have a massive interest in Villa and its history and have been an avid fan my whole life, I think the changes you have made are not constructive. The point of "Pheonix from the flames" refers to the fact that Villa went from the Third Division to European Champions in a decade - but I accept it might be a bit cheesy. That's no reason to replace all the subheadings with undiscriptive date ranges Villafanuk 13:08, 22 March 2007
There are too many sub-headers, and they shouldn't have creative names at all. Please come up with a different set of headers. And please stop reverting a huge amount of non-controversial copy-editing in the process. I've put this back until the headers can be re-worked, which is only a minor part of the edit history. Chris Cunningham 15:30, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
Of course, it could be argued (very tongue in cheek here) that Villa fans shouldn't edit the article due to WP:COI... Gretnagod 15:39, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
I have been requested to have a look at this developing edit war going on here and I think what some are failing to recognise (not naming names) is that Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia. This should provide factual information from a neutral point of view.
I admit that I'm a Villa fan myself and Villa does have a proud history but VillafanUK's edits are from a point of view, albeit subtle. I think the date headings would be best, therefore, as they provide a timeline of sorts into the history of the club. Putting headings such as 'Phoenix from the flames' is controversial and many would like to argue over it. - Erebus555 16:46, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm obviously aware that wikipedia must present a balanced neutral point of view. As the writer of a vast majority of the article as it now stands including most of the history section, I would like to argue that the dates suggested by User:Thumperward are not at all representative of notable eras in Villa's history and show a lack of knowledge. They do not give the reader an overview of the era. (eg '1920 - 1950' - in which time Villa won 1 FA Cup. Doesn't tell us anything!) Perhaps a compromise of Headings with dates could be reached. What do you think?

I think he has a point about the 'Pheonix from the flames' heading which I have replaced. However, this was not trying to fill the article with 'magazine style fluff' - it was meant to give the reader an introduction to an era in which Villa miraculously rose from the Third division to become European Champions. I think my headings give more of a timeline of the club than dates that don't even fit an era of history at the club. Villafanuk 20:51, 22 March 2007

More citations needed

This article is woefully short of citations. I've just added a "citation needed" tag to the record transfer fees section, for a start. Also - and I've asked this before - what makes a player notable? Who decides? That section runs completely against WP:NPOV. To keep the article shorter, and more encyclopedic, perhaps it would be worth using Liverpool FC's method and linking to a list of players with over 100 appearances for the club? Just a thought. Gretnagod 15:47, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Think you are right about the need for extensive citations - as you can appreciate this is a big task and I will try to make a start on it ASAP. Villafanuk 21:11, 22 March 2007

Article Length

This article well exceeds the recommended length. This might explain why sometines the article does not appear in Google searches as mentioned above. Have transferred some info to Aston Villa F.C. statistics but article still remains very long Djln--Djln 03:02, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Club History

To shorten the article, I propose the creation of a separate History of Aston Villa article. I will begin this process this week, if there are no serious objections Superlinus 18:27, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

I think it's a bad idea - the history of Villa is the major part of what Aston Villa is. What good reasons do you have? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.177.166.148 (talk • contribs)
Looking around at other clubs' pages - particularly those who have made Recommended Article status, it seems to be somethin they've done. The history section wouldn't be erased altogether - rather there'd be one or two paragraphs covering the general history of the club - formation, highlights, etc - and a link to a more in-depth page. Sunderland AFC's page is a good example Superlinus 16:42, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
I think it should be split (if anything, the Sunderland article keeps too much of the history on the main page) - but please make sure there's a copy of the infobox on each page, using {{AVFC-infobox}}. Andy Mabbett 18:13, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
That infobox is a bad idea, not least because it probably breaches fair use policy (which disallows fair use images like the club crest in templates). It has been nominated for deletion, comments welcome. Qwghlm 08:56, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
I don't believe that it does breach FU; which says "This is a logo of an organization, item, or event, and is protected by copyright and/or trademark. It is believed that the use of low-resolution images of logos to illustrate the organization, item, or event in question ... qualifies as fair use under United States copyright law." Andy Mabbett 11:38, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
From the fair use policy: 9. Non-free images may be used only in the article namespace. They should never be used on templates (including stub templates and navigation boxes) or on user pages. With reagards to the history section,I wouldn't split it until it is thoroughly referenced, otherwise referencing work will need to be duplicated. Oldelpaso 20:56, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
Then the policy needs to be changed to allow this reasonable use. I've raised the issue at Use in templates. Andy Mabbett 23:03, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
I think its a good idea but as long as you keep sub headings to break up the history! (Everlast1910 22:58, 1 May 2007 (UTC))
I have copied everything over to the History of Aston Villa page. Just needs someone to trim it down on the main page. (Everlast1910 19:27, 4 May 2007 (UTC))
Is anyone willing to trim the article down? (Everlast1910 11:01, 5 May 2007 (UTC))
Began working on it this morning - hopefully have it done in the next couple of days. Cutting a lot out! Superlinus 09:26, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Why has the history section been split? The history section as been split as we are trying to get this article to FA status and there is too much history on the main page! So i copied it over onto to sections NOTHING has been deleted, then we are going to put a brief history on the main page! (Everlast1910 18:58, 8 May 2007 (UTC))

I can understand that - but what I meant was why has the history been split into two separate pages - (1874-1966) and (1967-present)? Wouldnt it be more cohesive to view the history of the club on one page?


As part of the Peer Review to get this article up to FA status we need to trim the history down and it was advised seen as there is so much! Split it into two like Arsenal's then we can add more on each page into two, its still a work in progress but will look good and meet the criteria when done! (Everlast1910 11:48, 9 May 2007 (UTC))

New Badge

I have put the new badge in if there is anything you want to change move or delete feel free. (Everlast1910 13:08, 2 May 2007 (UTC))

Triva

I have now incorporated the trivia section into the main article (Everlast1910 11:20, 5 May 2007 (UTC))

Recent Events

A quick suggestion - as the article is long, perhaps we should (in addition to using the History of Aston Villa page) replace the "Recent Events" section and use it specifically for the takeover (and add a cut-down version of the recent events to "Villa in the Premiership"). The takeover, after all, is a very significant part of the article. A lot of the info wouldn't be needed (i.e., the absolute specific details of the takeover), so the section would be a lot shorter anyway. Just an idea. Team nath 16:36, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

A good one I think! It's always tempting to put too much emphasis on recent events without putting them in the perspective of the club's history.

removed vandal attempt (i think) by editing and going to undo:. vandal entry was for a gym, been removed from three lcoations. --UKbandit 15:03, 23 May 2007 (UTC)


Clean-ups

The article on the Second City Derby needs a cleanup - especially with the two sides meeting again next season. Anyone feel they can take it on?

So does the William McGregor article.

Recent wholesale changes

Rewritten History section

I have made a summary of the Club History as requested by the Peer Review on several occasions. I have put it on my sandbox so that everyone can preview it before putting it on the main Aston Villa page in a few days. Any comments are welcome. Woodym555 21:34, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

New managers table and section movement

I have put the history section into the main text. I have also created a new table for the Managers section that i think flows a lot better, the separate tables were bad on the eye but the new table is what Arsenal F.C. and other Football FA use. I have moved some sections around for the same reason, to bring it in line with other articles and to help it to reach GA and FA status sometime soon. I will put a new table for the List of Aston Villa F.C. players and also for the captains if and when i can get around to it. I also think that in line with other FA articles the "In popular culture section needs to be turned into prose and moved up near t the main body of text. Woodym555 21:10, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Dates & dashes

En dashes should be used in scorelines and full dates should be wikilinked, including in the footnotes. See Wikipedia:Manual of Style (dashes) and Wikipedia:Manual of Style (dates and numbers). Epbr123 20:42, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

GA review comments

  • Lead section is short. For a club with 110+ years of history, the lead can have more data. Also, as per guidelines, the lead section needs to stand on it's own in describing the article. I don't think this one will meet that requirement.
    • Done, made into a correct lead summary
      • While i am OK with the current effort for GA, i think you need to really expand on the lead section for FA.
  • From 1874, you jumped to 1887 - anything intersting about these 13 years?
    • As noted on your talk page this is not a comprehensive history. The subsections do that.
  • I have added "FACT" tag wherever i think references are required in the history section
    • Done, replaced all fact tags
      • Note: There are places within a single para where various sentences point to the same reference (For eg: With mounting debts and Villa lying at the bottom of Division Two; the board sacked Cummings and within weeks the entire board resigned due to overwhelming pressure from fans.[14] After much speculation, control of the club was bought by London financier Pat Matthews who also brought in Doug Ellis as chairman.[14] New ownership though could not prevent Villa being relegated to the Third Division for the first time in 1971.[14] They returned to the second division as Champions the following year and they continued to rise all the way into the First Division and Europe in 1977.[14]). In such a case, one reference, at the end of the para is sufficient. Please make the necessary modification.DoneWoodym555 20:10, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
  • "It would be a number of years before it was officially known as Villa Park" - is there a year in which this stadium started to be called Villa Park
    • Not Done as the answer is no. The usage simply evolved amongst fans. I am sure there is a tme when the official name was first used but this is most likely a small insignificant document somewhere. There was certainly no official renaming. see [1]
      • Fair enough. Can you add that bit in the article (about how the fans were instrumental in calling it Villa park, a name that was later adopted!). Also, i must confess that i am just a casual fan of football and hence might not know these details.
  • "the most famous and successful club in world football" - ain't this POV?
    • Done, yes it is, it was not originally so, i must have missed the edit! I have added qualifier and referenced it
  • "many careers were finished due to the conflict" - please re-word
    • Done, reworded and qualified
  • "The late 1960s saw a period of turmoil at the club." - violates Show, don't tell policy
    • Done, qualified statement
  • ", (after falling out with the chairman)," either retain the "( )" or the "," - not both
    • Done, removed brackets
  • "though Villa went through several managers" - please provide exact number
    • Done, added in correct number
  • As per wikipedia guidelines, the reference is added right after a punctation and there is no space between the reference and the punctuation. please check as this guideline seem to be missed in a lot of places. For eg: " being Everton, (104). [29] As "
    • Done, copyedited and changed affected references
  • Please add at least a stub article for current players on reserve (while it doesn't affect the GA nom, will do good without these redlinks)
    • WILL DO, many would most likely breach notability guidelines though. I will add those applicable when i can.
      • Nope, they won't breach notability guideline. Every player who is drafted in American football has a wikipage, even if he doesn't make the final team. When someone makes the sub. bench, i am assuming it is a place that an average-joe on road is not going to make it. however, as i said - this is only for FA and not for GA.
        • All of these articles have been deleted in the past. They all still fail WP:BIO as they have not palyed in the senior team nor have they played in any cup winning team. As such at this time i am reluctant to create stubs for them. Woodym555 11:18, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
  • In the subsections, list of captains, managers and notable players - provide atleast a para that describes the main article
    • Not Done, other Football featured articles do not, it is a list, not much more explanation needed
      • I don't agree with that but will go with the current content/state of article.
  • "Aston Villa Hall of Fame" - when was this started? what is the selection process? years in which these players were inducted?
    • Done, added requested information
  • "English Football Hall of Fame" - when was Danny Blanchflower nominated to English Football HOF. Also, it surprises me that Mr. Blanchflower amde it to EF HOF but has no place in the club HOF
    • Done (sort of), as per your talk page English football is weird like that, i have added link to English National Hall of Fame and induction date though
      • Fair enough.

Please address these comments and revert back on my talk page and i shall be glad to re-review the article for GA. --Kalyan 18:30, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

I have added replies in bold. Woodym555 21:06, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

I think there are a couple of issues left to be resolved but these don't influence the data and hence moving to GA. All unaddressed comments are left unstricken and hence will be useful when reviewing this article for FAC. --Kalyan 16:18, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Reference format

I have reverted to the {{reflist|2}} format for the references section because the scroll box is disliked amongst many FA reviewers and experienced editors. see Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Siege of Malakand for a debate on the issue. The consensus on that FA nom was to remove this format and as such i have implemented this on this page. Thankyou. Woodym555 16:48, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Famous supporters

I have removed the famous supporters section because of concerns raised in the last peer review. It states Get rid of the Famous supporters section. A celebrity's support for Villa has no effect upon the club, if a person's support for Villa is truly notable it should be included in their article, not Villa's. This information should be included in their articles and not the main Aston Villa one. Thankyou for your contribution though Woodym555 23:41, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Honours

The Honours section has seen a rapid expansion of the number of "minor honours" recently. In my opinion these honours are not notable enough to mention on the main page. They are not listed under the AVFC honours page (link[2]) and are currently unreferenced. What do other editors think? thanks Woodym555 14:57, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Further to my earlier comment i have now moved the minor honours over to the Aston Villa F.C. statistics page. I have left a comment on the editors talk page. Any comment is still of course most welcome. Thanks Woodym555 15:20, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Transfers

I have deleted the section entitled transfers because of several concerns. As per WP:CRYSTAL Wikipedia is not a crystal ball and cannot predict future events, as such the transfer rumours section was not viable. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and not a rumour mill. The Aston Villa main page is a summary of many other articles as per WP:SUMMARY and as such should not go into excessive detail on Randy Lerner's signings. This also goes against WP:RECENT as it places too much bias on current events. This information belongs in the History of Aston Villa (1967-Present) page under Randy Lerner or under a new heading 2007/08. Any questions can be left here or on my talk page. Thanks Woodym555 15:29, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Although the new transfer section that has recently been added is of a better quality and in no way speculative than the last one that i have deleted, i feel it neccessary to delete the new section. As per a discussion on the football wikiproject it should be deleted. This goes against WP:RECENT in that it will be non-notable in a few months. At the end of the season will this really need to be here? We already have Wikinews for news related articles. At the closing of the window this could be added to the "2007/08 Aston Villa Season article" but not here. Thanks Woodym555 14:55, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
The only reason i added it was i was looking at FA's at Everton had it and thought it might be a nice addition but if its against the FAC then thats fine with me (Everlast1910 16:38, 20 July 2007 (UTC))

FA

This article has now been granted FA status, as part of this i have now "Archived" all the last disscusions as it was clogging this page up! (Everlast1910 16:45, 24 July 2007 (UTC))

Now that status has been achieved, I shall add a spoken version at some point in the next few weeks. Hassocks5489 11:32, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
Done - see link above. Hassocks5489 21:29, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Current squad

Can editors please not ignore the hidden text. it is there for a reason - to stop unreferenced edits. I am referring to "If changing REO-COKER OR HAREWOOD squad numbers please REFERENCE' it (Sky Sports, AVFC, BBC or other reputable sources)". Several editors are amending the squad numbers without referencing it. I understand that the speculation will be rife until August 11 and then August 31 but only edit this page if you have HARD FACTS. May i also remind editors of the other hidden text " When amending the current squad PLEASE REMEMBER to realign the "MID SQUAD" to avoid an uneven look. " Thankyou. Woodym555 21:54, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Other pages requiring Villa info

Would some Villa fan who remembers the 1975 League Cup Final better than me (I was only 11 at the time!) like to augment the Match Review section. EddieCam 19:06, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Good call - and the other Aston Villa finals need documenting too, 1977 in particular needs an entry, the first team to win the trophy 3 times. MegdalePlace 05:38, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Zat Knight

it clearly states that zat knight is on loan from fulham, look just after his name and on the squad list on right hand side. follow the link... http://www.avfc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/Squad/Profiles/0,,10265~11316,00.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sjjames (talk • contribs) 23:03, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

AVFC sometimes you have to wait for it to be updated also the site is going through a revamp and we will be getting a new site soon check these links:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/a/aston_villa/6966524.stm http://www.skysports.com/football/player/0,19754,11677_155047,00.html Everlast1910 07:29, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

ok but surely AVFC site is more of a source than BBC and Sky Sports, i'm not saying that he is on loan because i believe it to be a permanent deal but this really is hard evidence, that's what this site relies on and well here it is, the best source for AVFC is surely their own site! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sjjames (talk • contribs) 10:34, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
What the squad profile actually says is that he was loaned to Peterborough United F.C., not that he is on loan to Villa. (Note the placing of the commas, admittedly it is a poor layout). The best source for info is not neccessarily AVFC. We also need to have third party sources instead of just relying on what AVFC say. Yet i understand in this case, in terms of statistical data Villa would be the best place to start. Woodym555 11:51, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

UBX European cup Final

This user attended the 1982 European Cup Final.



Intertoto

Hi all, I've put this at the top of the talk page for all to see. Before anyone edits the stats to show 2 Intertoto Cup wins instead of one, please do a little research, and then don't edit it!! The winner of the 2008 Intertoto cup was the team to progress the furthest in the UEFA cup in 2009. S. C. Braga was the team that progressed furthest. Villa were knocked out in the round of 32 against Moscow, and Braga were knocked out in the round of 16 against Paris 2008–09_UEFA_Cup. WillDow (Talk) 09:05, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Club crest

Whilst it is informative to have information on the new crest, it is only of particular interest at the moment because it is current. In the fullness of time, the current design will be no more noteworthy than any of the others. What would be good in my view would be a history of the crest in its various forms over the years. This would require the use of images, but I believe would be more relvant overall. MegdalePlace 05:44, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

If you look at any other FA football article there is information on "colours and crest" or maybe just "crest" and "colours". While I understand your point the new crest in 10+ years time will still be relevant as it was one of the first acts Randy did at the club. But that is my opinion. Everlast1910 09:08, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

I also heard once that Villa actually copied the Rangers Crest and as both have a lion and both have words meaning the same below there badge "prepared" and "ready" I do believe there is substance to this,as also it would be far too much of a coincidence —Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.19.227.9 (talk) 00:50, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

The Rangers Crest didn't adopt a lion or the word "ready" into their crest until 1959 [3]. Villa had a lion in their crest since well before 1900. So if anything, if there's been copying, it has been the other way around... Willdow (Talk) 09:18, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Hajime Hosogai

Why is this person on villa's players list i've never heard of him and definatly no signing of him is this vandalism or has he been signed? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jonoridge (talk • contribs) 10:30, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

That was vandalism and has been reverted now. Thanks. Woody (talk) 11:48, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Famous supporters

I have removed the re-addition of the famous supporters section because of concerns raised in the last peer review. It states Get rid of the "Famous supporters" section. A celebrity's support for Villa has no effect upon the club, if a person's support for Villa is truly notable it should be included in their article, not Villa's. This view has been backed up by consensus on the WP:FOOTY project where it was thought that this information should be included in the articles of the persons concerned, and not the main Aston Villa one. Thankyou for your contribution though. Woody (talk) 14:37, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

True Woody if you can find the old Diff I had it at the bottom with flag icons and all correctly ref'd and we removed it! :) Everlast1910 16:05, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
I copied over the bulk of that text above from the one in the archive! ;) Lazy I know. Previous version is here Woody (talk) 16:10, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
Its come on a long way! Everlast1910 17:36, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
I see this list has since resurfaced, as well as a list of "Footballers who support Aston Villa". I propose it they be removed, on the basis of long standing consensus, and the sheer fact they are insignificant trivia. Mattythewhite (talk) 21:14, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
Definitely, no place for this. Ilikeeatingwaffles (talk) 07:58, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
The list of 'supporting players' bears little resemblance to the reference in any case, that should be removed for sure. If WP Footy has decreed that famous supporters are out too then happy to go along with that. Mountaincirque 08:29, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
Hmm...I came here to add Turner prize winner Gillian Wearing to the list...nevermind...Villa fans really are getting a raw deal at the moment...not like... Arsenal F.C. supporters. Bosley John Bosley (talk) 22:49, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

Revert and Civility issues

Will the anonymous IP address who is constantly reverting please stop and discuss your issues. The famous supporters issues is addressed in the section above me. Why do you object to the loan section and the foreign featured article link at the bottom. ({{Link FA|ro}}). Please DISCUSS your issues here in a calm and civil manner. Thankyou. Woody (talk) 00:27, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Notable Managers

I've removed Joseph Venglos from the table of managers, as the table gives only those who won a trophy with Villa. "Dr Do little" didn't win anything, so doesn't belong there. If true that he was the first overseas manager at a major club, than this is note-worthy in itself, but should be elsewhere. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MegdalePlace (talk • contribs) 10:00, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Venglos was the first forgien coach in the premiership and for villa thus is notable and falls within the criteria. Everlast1910 11:13, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
The editor does have a point though. The text above the table reads "The following managers have all won at least one trophy when in charge of Aston Villa:". If Venglos didn't, then the wording needs changing to something that justifies his inclusion. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 11:54, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
Good point, have amended accordingly. Thanks. Woody (talk) 12:12, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
Yes i have just realised that! Opps :) Everlast1910 12:13, 13 January 2008 (UTC)


Colours, crest and kit design

I was led to believe that Arsenal copied our kit design when Herbert Chapman was in charge (ie plain shirts with lighter sleeves). I am sure I read it either on here or the Arsenal page but now can't find it anywhere. Has anybody got a link to prove this to be the case? While we're at it has anybody got a link to confirm Barca copied their colours off us? Would be much appreciated, thanks. Villafancd (talk) 10:42, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

I believe that Arsenal's kit came from borrowing Nottingham Forest shirts and adding white sleeves. JSL595 (talk) 17:09, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Heart of Midlothian and Rangers are said to be the origins of the claret and blue colours. If anyone can find an encyclopedically acceptable reference to it it would answer a question in the article 00:27, 24 November 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.40.215.245 (talk)

What about including Manchester City in the teams to have borrowed Aston Villa's colours being as they have simply inverted it, with sky blue as primary, white as secondary, and claret as the tertiary colour. They are unfortunately set up to dominate English football now so we might as well take credit for our ideas that they profit from. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Martyn jnr (talk • contribs)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 16:39, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

Shirt sponsors

I have removed the shirt sponsors and manufacturers section as it adds nothing to this article, the main article on the club. In the history of the club, the shirt sponsor has little relevance. If it needs to exist anywhere, which I doubt, then add it to the Aston Villa F.C. statistics and records article. As it stood, it was incomplete and without references, which all articles need, especially featured articles. Please stop reverting and discuss its inclusion here per Bold, revert, discuss Woody (talk) 18:11, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

it was complete, the list carried all of Aston Villa's Sponsors and kit manufactures that ther has been, if it adds nothing to the article why have other teams pages got the same information?? Mrengland (talk) 20:35, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Somebody keeps making changes to the Aston Villa squad. This includes adding players from the youth/Reserve teams that have not been officially confirmed as first team players and also adding squad numbers when non as yet been assigned. The latest edit of this squad is based on the squad as featured on avfc.co.uk, the clubs official website. May I suggest that any changes made to the squad should reference articles or link to, the official website. —Preceding unsigned comment added by RLoffman (talk • contribs) 15:38, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Intertoto Cup (season 2008-2009)

I have just been checking through the honours for Aston Villa and noticed that it shows we have only won the intertoto cup once (2001). This season Aston Villa are now in the UEFA Cup first qualifying round after winning the intertoto cup stage. Shouldn't this now be displayed like the 2001 achievement? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.36.115.86 (talk) 13:51, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Since (I think) 2006, all you get for progressing through the Intertoto rounds is qualification for the UEFA Cup. In 2001, only three teams went through to the UEFA Cup so they counted all three as "winners"; see UEFA Intertoto Cup 2001. But now there are eleven, so they changed it such that the winner of the Intertoto Cup is the club which progresses furthest in the UEFA Cup having qualified via the Intertoto; see UEFA Intertoto Cup 2008. So Villa haven't won it yet, but they might if they do well enough in the UEFA Cup. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 14:01, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Proximity of West Midlands rivals

"They have a long-standing and fierce rivalry with local rivals Birmingham City, although West Bromwich Albion is actually the closest professional football club." There's no citation given for this, and if anything I'd have said Villa are marginally closer to Blues than to Albion. Given that it's a relatively close call, a measure should also be given - is it by road, as the crow flies etc? Driving directions generated by entering the clubs' postcodes into Google Maps gives 3.2 or 3.3 miles between Blues and Villa, and 3.7 miles between Villa and Albion. --Jameboy (talk) 14:53, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

I will try and dig out the programmes from when Villa shared the Hawthornes. As I remember, there were various reports and articles stating that the clubs were closer than Blues/Villa. I will try and find a ref for it. Regards. Woody (talk) 17:20, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Just wanted to add that either way (by car or as the crow flys) that statement contradicts google maps satellite view. Thanks. 78.32.178.161 (talk) 22:21, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

"Fourth most successful"

I have rephrased this statement to reveal that they have won the fourth largest number of trophies by an English club. Describing success solely on a quantitative basis is a POV. Going by this approach, a team winning both the Premier League and Champions League five times would be deemed as "successful" as another team winning the League Cup ten times. Here we can see that stating which trophies have been won reveals more than a total number would. Solely describing the number of trophies won, without qualifying it as "success", leaves the reader to draw their own conclusions. Sillyfolkboy (talk) 12:36, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

See also: this discussion over at Talk:Everton F.C.. Seems reasonable, regards. Woody (talk) 14:27, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

In Popular Culture

In popular culture In the first episode of Yes Minister Jim Hacker MP says he needs to get off early to watch Aston Villa play. However, in a later episode, he launches a campaign to save his local team, the fictional "Aston Wanderers".

I've always thought this to be a clever reference to The Wolves rather than Villa. In 1982, Wolves had been just minutes away from bankruptcy (like Aston Wanderers in the show) when saved by The Bhatti Brothers consortium headed by Derek Dougan. By calling it Aston, the writers ingeniously set the club in the West Midlands, and by adding Wanderers, left no doubt (in my mind at least) who they were refering to.

Sumenon (talk) 18:56, 20 June 2009 (UTC)SumenonSumenon (talk) 18:56, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

You may very well be right that changing the name to "Wanderers" in place of Villa was a double entendre meant as a mild poke at The Wolves. The writers of "Yes Minister" <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yes_Minister> / "Yes Prime Minister" <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yes_Prime_Minister> (Jonathan Lynn and Antony Jay) were never unthoughtful when they gave a fictional name to something or someone.

But what seems very clear is that the Minister's local team was Aston Villa: Jim Hacker <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Hacker> was the Member of Parliament for Birmingham East, and in the first episode he does indeed make reference to the team in complaining that his civil servants have given him too much work on his first day on the job: "Villa's at home to Liverpool!" (This is in the broadcast version of "Open Government" <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Government_(Yes_Minister)>, but not in the published version <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yes_Minister#Books> in "The Complete Yes Minister" by Jonathan Lynn and Antony Jay, 1981, London: BBC Books.

To understand whether "Aston Wanderers" was a fictional name for Aston Villa, consider how the Club Chairman, Harry Sutton, describes the teams' history when attempting to persuade the Minister to rescue the club from imminent bankruptcy: "Look at our history. FA Cup Winners, League Champions, one of the first teams ever into Europe." ("The Middle-Class Rip-Off" <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Middle-Class_Rip-Off>, p. 471. "The Complete Yes Minister" by Jonathan Lynn and Antony Jay, 1981, London: BBC Books). I leave it to others who know the history better than I as to whether that describes more accurately Aston Villa or The Wolves. Also, do the names "Harry Sutton" or "Brian Wilkinson" (Chairman of the local authority's Arts & Leisure Committee) mean anything?

Whitehallplc (talk) 19:13, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

Peace Cup

The Peace Cup is not a notable enough tournament to list it under the club honours section on this page. This page lists the major European and national honours that Villa have won. It does not include invitational and minor tournaments such as the Peace Cup. Otherwise it would have to list all 19 Birmingham Senior Cup victories et. al. which would end up devaluing, in terms of space used and emphasis used, the other more important tournaments listed. Woody (talk) 23:10, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Squad numbers

Further to the hidden comments in the current squad section, please do not make changes to the squad numbers without an official source. Wikipedia should only list verifiable information. At the moment there is no announcement and the official squad list is not showing any changes. The numbers used against Fiorentina are not neccessarily the normal squad numbers as pre-season friendlies often use different numbers. Please wait for the official release or add a means to verify the information, otherwise it will be removed. Regards, Woody (talk) 17:37, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Stephen O'Halloran

Note: I have opened up a discussion about Stephen O'Halloran and whether he should be included in the squad list over at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football#Stephen O'Halloran: grey area. Summary:

  • His contract has expired
  • The 2009–10 press release from Villa about squad numbers omitted him ("Squad Numbers 2009-10". Aston Villa F.C. Retrieved 2009-09-02.)
  • The UEFA squad list omitted him ("Aston Villa FC". UEFA. Retrieved 2009-09-02.)
  • The Aston Villa main squad list though does still list him and that is generally what is used to determine the squad list and squad numbers.("Squad list". Aston Villa F.C. Retrieved 2009-08-20.)

All discussion over at FOOTY would be most welcome. Regards, Woody (talk) 10:22, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Intertoto cup last season

We definitely did not win the Intertoto cup, that was Braga. We only qualified through the competition for the UEFA cup! 88.106.55.233 (talk) 09:51, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

We are still regarded as a winner of the competition. You are right Braga claimed the trophy though. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Steve46foot (talk • contribs) 22:24, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

What is Villa Park's Capacity???

I've started a little discussion on this here. The official stats say one figure (42,783) but the official attendance at Villa -v- Man Utd was 42,788, confirmed by both BBC Sport and Sky Sports, Willdow (Talk) 15:22, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Error in graph

The pictorial graph showing Villa's league positions over the years has a significant error.

It shows the 1959-60 season as a first division season. In fact they were relegated in 59, so the graph should show them top fo div 2 in 1960 - it in fact shows them as div 1 champions!

The graph appears on a few pages - not just this one, Can someone put it right? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.179.230.100 (talk) 00:21, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

The new beautiful Villa crest

Nothing to do with improving the article. Closing discussion. The highly esteemed CBW presents the Talk Page! 18:02, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

This AVFC badge is a total nightmare, 48 hours on and I still can not believe what a disgrace this badge is the name of Aston Villa.

Randy and his management team need to think again. This is not a strong brand image for the club. I am sure Nike will do a great job on the kit but the look will be soured for me and many many Villa Fans across the world by this badge.

What a crying shame this is when we celebrate the team of 82 and are looking forward with hope and optimism for the future of our beloved Aston Villa.

this is a comment from a Villa fan and I think the same way, Aston Villa board should be contacted to correct this error. X3nnon (talk) 12:48, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

The crest was unveiled three years ago... Anyway, frankly, your opinion about the crest doesn't matter when it comes to this wikipedia article. This is the official crest for Aston Villa football club and as such it will stay in the article as such.
Also, you cannot possibly claim to represent "all" Aston Villa fans. Now, please stop reverting and try and contribute constructively to the encyclopedia. Regards, Woody (talk) 12:54, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

Some people have no taste. As an artist i think the new crest is one of best out of every football club in the country, the whole world even. There isn't one that i would say looks better than the Villa one. The main reason coming from people who didn't like it was because it wasn't round!

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Graph !!

It's been flagged up for a couple of months but no changes.

The graph of league places shows Villa as league champs in 1960, when we were in fact Second div champs. It's a major error.

Please can someone put it right, or should it just be deleted as unencylopedic?

The same graph is on the club history pages too. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.180.21.217 (talk) 18:19, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

I have asked the person who made it whether they can update it. I agree that it is a rather large error that should be rectified as soon as possible and I acknowledge the number of alerts you have made that seem to have been ignored, for which I apologise. Hopefully we can get it sorted soon and updated for the last couple of years. Regards, Woody (talk) 12:11, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

2010-11 New Kit

Can we update the home and away kit to reflect the new kit that has been released?

[4]

The home kit is pretty much identical. The away kit is black body and black sleeves. 3rd kit is last years white away kit. (note the claret and chequered pattern on the sides of both kits) WillDow (Talk) 13:50, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Are we able to get the squared pattern that has been placed on the side of the away kit replicated on the side of the home kit too?WillDow (Talk) 11:17, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Edit request- change to current coaching staff

{{editsemiprotected}}

The 'Current management and coaching staff' section requires updating

Seamus McDonagh is no longer with the club. http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/2010/08/12/james-milner-move-hangs-in-balance/ (final line)

Various others are not listed under the coaching staff ('behind the team') on the club's official website http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/WhosWho/0,,10265,00.html

These are- Jim Henry, Mark Delaney and Roddy McDonald

There are 2 other staff members in this 'behind the team' section who require an addition to the current coaching staff section, they are- Rafa Gonzalez (Youth Team Goalkeeping Coach) and Duncan Robertson (Club Doctor)

Done, and I will unprotect it as well. Thanks for the request. Woody (talk) 19:22, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Social Responsibility

I have trimmed down this newly added section and cleaned up the references. Here is the reasoning behind my removal of text:

"Aston Villa's groundbreaking charity work has been hailed as a future model for professional sport teams in the United Kingdom and also in the United States and Canada, the European Union, South America, Australia, New Zealand, Africa and elsewhere." The reference used for this sentence does not mention Aston Villa at any point nor mention Acorns.

"The club, along with the Tottenham Foundation and Newcastle United Foundation, are some leading examples of a new commitment in the highest level of football to responsibility and change in the communities in which they work and who enrich them through their support and ticket sales" This is not relevant to Aston Villa, the activities of Newcastle are Tottenham are fantastic for them, not much use to Villa. This sort of discussion would be great in some sort of Charity in Premier League article or indeed a section of the Premier League article. Woody (talk) 13:37, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

England internationals

I have a feeling I know the answer to this but... does the club's official twitter count as a "reliable source"..? They announced the updated number during the Norway match (its 71 now) Methodicmadness (talk) 10:11, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

I have a feeling this might not be the answer you were expecting: yes, I think it could be classed as reliable as it is an official feed. You could easily argue that this is much the same as using the official website as a source in my opinion. Given it is corroborated in other places it is ok to simply update the number on the page. Woody (talk) 21:49, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Current Vandalism

I've been noticing a lot of vandalism on this page recently is there anyway that we can get this topic locked for the forseeable future? Mistersaxon4 (talk) 13:16, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

The process on Wikipedia is WP:RFP where you may request articles protected. Wandering Courier (talk) 15:50, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 26xbing, 6 September 2011


26xbing (talk) 04:38, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

Done --Jnorton7558 (talk) 11:51, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

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Delfouneso

Nathan Delfouneso has worn the #23 shirt for a couple of games in the 2012-13 season so far, is it worth changing?--Dubbled335 (talk) 09:39, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

McGregor/ Birthplace of The League 1888 - Need To Stress More In Opening Paragraph

In the opening section about the club, I don't think it is enough to simply state: "Aston Villa were founder members of The Football League in 1888. They were also founder members of the Premier League in 1992, and have remained there ever since.[5"

It needs to be stressed, in that early, opening paragraph, that:

"Aston Villa Football Club is considered the cradle of all association football leagues, the club's director, William McGregor, having had the idea to invite eleven other clubs to form the world's first association football league in 1888. Villa were also founder members of the Premier League in 1992, and have remained there ever since.[5"

This issue needs to be addressed early in the article because it is a huge part of the club's - and association football's - history. When other websites, journalists or fansites quote from Wiki, when writing about Aston Villa, they often lift the whole of the first paragraph of text about the club, totally missing out on the "McGregor/cradle of all leagues" history that is so important and unique to the club.

To reiterate, my view would be that McGregor needs to be stressed early, in the first parargraph, to reflect the importance of Villa's history and to ensure journalists and researchers acknowledge such an important history when writing about Villa. Should they lift from the first paragraph (as seems common practice among students of football these days), it is hugely important that every opportunity is afforded them to acknowledge the "McGregor/cradle of all leagues" significance of the football club.

If such changes could be made I would be most grateful. 83.147.141.227 (talk) 16:10, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Crest

Please change the size of the Aston Villa crest as it was before. Why is it so small? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.106.82.35 (talk) 22:51, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Juan Serrano

Juan Serrano is still listed as a Villa youth player, despite moving to Malaga CF in Spain. He needs to be deleted from Villa's wikipedia page — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.30.67.137 (talk) 19:12, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

 Done, next time provide a source in your request. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 19:33, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

2013/14 third kit

Is it possible to include Villa's third kit alongside the images of our new home and away kits? Villa announced a while ago that the away kit from last season (lime green kit) would be used as a third shirt for this coming season. I cannot find the article from the official site but here is a link to an article confirming it (confirmation in second paragraph)[5] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.30.67.137 (talk) 14:42, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

Claret

Wikipedia seems to have a bit of a gap in the description of this color. Claret redirects to Bordeaux wine, which is of course the origin of the colour, but that article has no description whatever of the colour of the wine, or why or if it's considered different from any other red wine colour. So the link to claret in the lede isn't very helpful. Any suggestions? Colonies Chris (talk) 08:50, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Out of date information.

Donacien's and Kinsella's loan deals for starters. Plus the loan return dates are incorrect. Is there any way this page can be unlocked so accurate information can be recorded???? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.175.85.116 (talk) 13:52, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 3 September 2015

On player list, Tiago Ilori is currently showing without a number. However, it has be announce that he is squad number 2.

Source: Aston Villa Official Website http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~4977594,00.html Bored0stiff (talk) 20:15, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

Done, thank you. Struway2 (talk) 20:43, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

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Board of directors? Consensus required.

Many other professional sides list their board members in the staff section of their page. Especially in light of Aston Villa making a few high profile appointments to their board recently including former Bank of England Governer Mervyn King, former FA chairman David Bernstein and former Villa player and manager Brian Little in an advisory capacity I would propose adding a section to the page listing these directors and their roles. Please let me know your thoughts. Current board members are: David Bernstein, Mervyn King, Brian Little (advisor), Charles C. Krulak and Randy Lerner. Mountaincirque 10:08, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

Think it's fairly standard to list board members, and Mr Little could be fitted in. Presume by "roles" you mean owner, chairman, director, advisor to the board sort of thing? You'd need a source, if not two, seeing as the Who's Who page doesn't include either King or Little. This would do.
While you're in there, you could try tidying up the backroom staff section: trim it to occupied posts; if an occupant isn't individually notable, make sure the post's important enough in the club to list a non-notable person; get rid of all the Superfluous Capital Letters in the job titles; and add a source (the adding a source bit actually is important, seeing as it's supposed to be a Featured Article). cheers, Struway2 (talk) 10:59, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
Thanks, I actually did that last week but sat on the edit and lost it. I'll get to it ASAP. Mountaincirque 11:59, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
Done, references added including a nice Guardian one that covers all recent appointments. Companies house reference shows all directors also. Mountaincirque 14:19, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

Statistics section

Why does it state they've been in the top flight for 104 seasons as of the 2014-15 season considering they were relegated in 1987? Source - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1986%E2%80%9387_Football_League#First_Division Corabal (talk) 16:02, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

Because it's 104 seasons in total, not 104 consecutive seasons. Ilikeeatingwaffles (talk) 08:04, 17 April 2016 (UTC)

Owner

Hi all. As I understand it, Aston Villa has not yet been sold, approval is needed first from the Premier League and Football League. Two very recent articles describe Tony Xia as 'proposed' owner and 'owner-in-waiting'. According to the Daily Mail article, a deal could take a few weeks to be finalised. For clarity, I think it would be best to keep Randy Lerner as owner in the infobox as there is a small chance the sale may not go through, maybe with a temporary lock on changing it to Tony Xia. What do you think? --LegereScire (talk) 08:56, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

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Current Squad: The link to Neil Taylor should be changed to Neil Taylor (footballer) as the current one links to the disambiguation page. 86.161.5.114 (talk) 08:16, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

Done Thank you for pointing that out. regards, DRAGON BOOSTER ★ 08:20, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 25 January 2018

Aaron Tshibola needs to be added to the squad lists as he is still an Aston Villa Player 109.146.154.147 (talk) 18:03, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 16 May 2018

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. L293D (☎ • ✎) 13:43, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

social responsibility

Aston Villa is helping to build a community sports facility in Kericho Town, Kenya which includes a new football pitch. Once the project is completed, Villa are hoping to introduce their Premier Skills coaching programme as well as a Premier League Kicks-inspired scheme to the facility. The facility will also house an early child development centre, a place for vocational training of women and coach training facilities. These initiatives are set to bring a boost to employment in the town. The town hosts Zoo Kericho F.C. which participates in the Kenya Premier League. 154.123.23.202 (talk) 07:45, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 October 2018

Change 'one of five English clubs to win the European Cup' to 'one of six English clubs to win the European Cup' 120.151.86.20 (talk) 23:05, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 20 December 2018

Mention Tony Xia owning 45% of the club. Tomobiwan (talk) 19:48, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

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Edit request - players

New Goalkeeper signed as of 01/01/2019 - Lovre Kalinic, Croatian

Tommy Elphick has been recalled and is now DF in 1st squad. 


Kielyscott (talk) 10:14, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
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