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Administrators' newsletter – June 2024[edit]

News and updates for administrators from the past month (May 2024).

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May 2024 NPP backlog drive – Points award[edit]

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This award is given in recognition to Paper9oll for accumulating at least 10 points during the May 2024 NPP backlog drive. Your contributions helped play a part in the 14,452 reviews completed during the drive. Thank you so much for taking part and contributing to help reduce the backlog! Hey man im josh (talk) 18:50, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Signpost: 8 June 2024[edit]

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Tactics to avoid your redirects being overwritten[edit]

Paper9oll, in regards to your just-created Red Velvet redirects, creating redirects then immediately repointing them to a different page looks like a very blatant tactic to try avoid having your redirects be overwritten, since you appear to know redirects can simply be overwritten by page movers if there's only one edit to them. You cannot stop redirects from being overwritten if someone wants to do so, and you should not attempt to camp on topics like this by trying to force interested people to make articles on them. A moderately experienced user can either move redirects you've created out of the way themselves, ask a page mover to do it at WP:RM/TR, or an ask an admin to simply delete your redirects for them. You should know this by now. Unless you rush-create an article yourself, there's no way to stop others from creating what they want to create by making quick subsequent edits to a redirect and every conceivable variation of a title, including making draftspace titles, and both "(EP)" and "(album)", which I know you've personally disapproved of before—you yourself have previously nominated "(album)" redirects for deletion when a release has been an EP, have you not? Nobody on Wikipedia is forced to make an article on someone's redirect if they don't want to. I have seen this behaviour before, so I don't think my assumption that this is what you're doing, for a K-pop girl group whose topics you've made plenty of articles for and are still heavily involved with, is out of line. It looks like you do this for most, if not all redirects you make. Please stop this behaviour.

At this point you also haven't added any mention of what "Cosmic" is at Red Velvet discography, and you should do that when you create redirects. Ss112 16:08, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tech News: 2024-24[edit]

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  • The software used to render SVG files has been updated to a new version, fixing many longstanding bugs in SVG rendering. [1]
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Re: FT script[edit]

Hi there, just want to let you know that I can't use your script again. 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 • [𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺] 09:50, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@98Tigerius Can I have the error(s) labeled in red color or ❌ in the Developer tools (F12 or Ctrl+Shift+I) > Console after you click to trigger the script? And also would be helpful to explain more on what the exact issues encountered. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 09:52, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's the same as last time where you must be an EC user to use the script. 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 • [𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺] 09:57, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In the Developer tools > Console, can you type in mw.config.get('wgUserGroups') and hit enter. Do you see "confirmed" in the output, just a yes or no, will do. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 10:29, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, I'm only using a phone and not a desktop/laptop. 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 • [𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺] 11:05, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Install this testing version into your Common.js. Remember to comment out the production version before saving to avoid any issues. Will update the production version once it's confirmed to be working on your end, will CSD U1 the testing version thereafter. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 12:33, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@98Tigerius I assumed that the testing version is working for you since you made an edit using the script. I will proceed to CSD U1 the testing version by 12 June 2024 midnight UTC timing. Do let me know otherwise. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 15:00, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes I installed the testing version and uninstall the other. Thanks for the update. You're doing great and happy editing. 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 • [𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺] 15:08, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@98Tigerius Noted, you may proceed to uninstall the testing version and install back the production version. The fixes has been deployed to the production version. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 15:15, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Assemble (EP) edit[edit]

Regarding your rollback edit here https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Assemble_(EP)&action=history, I used the style guide as reference. The stylized form of the album appears to be used in infoboxes for most albums, and I added a citation for the addition of "(stylized in all caps)" in the lede. Assuming your rollback wasn't automated, can you please explain your rationale for reversion? Thanks. AVNOJ1989 (talk) 01:58, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please provide an explanation while citing relevant Wikipedia policies to demonstrate your understanding then. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 02:05, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
So why is this article any different than all of these? https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?go=Go&search=stylized+in+all+caps&title=Special%3ASearch&ns0=1 AVNOJ1989 (talk) 02:31, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Go read Special:PermanentLink/1088443179#MOS:TMSTYLE. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 02:34, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
From the talk page you linked to as justification for your reversion; We commonly include a "*stylized as ...)" note in leads just to be sure the reader knows they are at the right page, but we're not going to around writing SONY or macy★s in running text otherwise. The prohibition is against using it against the entire article, but having this mentioned at the beginning of the article is standard for the site and has been for years. AVNOJ1989 (talk) 02:38, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please provide your explanation to demostrate your understanding then on what is the exact purpose on adding and/or using "stylized as"? I does look to me that you're just cherry picking your preferred pointers and WP:WHATABOUTX here and there. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 02:45, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That is the established convention as per what you yourself linked to earlier; https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=1088443179#MOS:TMSTYLE --AVNOJ1989 (talk) 02:46, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Your replies just confirmed my assumption of showing no understanding, why was the reason why I asked you to provide an explanation while citing relevant policies to demostrate your understanding twice in which you couldn't even reply me on, and yes this is a test intentionally. I don't think I need to explained myself further since I had already linked the relevant policies and discussion here and also at Talk:Assemble24 (strikeoff note: irrelevant to this topic i.e. on "stylized as") and you're just cherry picking whichever pointers you see fit yourself while ignoring the rest. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 02:58, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"yes this is a test intentionally" is not how Wikipedia works. Users are meant to collaborate with each other in a productive manner to meet site policies. 'Testing' other users on policies is essentially weaponizing your interpretation of the rules to make articles the way you want and lock other users out of the process. AVNOJ1989 (talk) 03:02, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Firstly, you do know that you stated "I used the style guide as reference" hence I replied "Please provide an explanation while citing relevant Wikipedia policies to demonstrate your understanding then". Secondly, instead of answering my question, you gave me a literally WP:WHATABOUTX in the form of a search results. Thirdly, I replied to your WHATABOUTX with a discussion on "stylized as" usage which stated clearly the purpose. Lastly, instead of reading the discussion entirely, you instead provide me a cherry picked version of your preferred pointer. The reason for testing you is because you can't even answer my initial question and also failure to understand the linked discussion and/or didn't read it completely, it's supposed to be constructive however you instead chosen to gave me irrelevant replies instead so that is that. In case, you still couldn't understand what exactly the conclusion of the linked straightforward discussion i.e. "stylized as" is to prevent any form of confusion to the readers otherwise it should be omitted however one shouldn't waste their time to go around each article to purge it, hence you're just wasting my time and no I'm not a teacher and it isn't my responsibility to educate you when you're simply refusing to listen even when the relevant discussion are already presented to you. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 03:30, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have been on Wikipedia most the day. Checking my history to figure out which page I was using as reference is easier said than done and failing to be able to immediately produce it is not evidence I didn't use the guide. You are deliberately withholding your knowledge to have an upper hand in any edit discussions and asking you to be collaborative is not putting an unreasonable burden upon you. You're being incredibly rude and disruptive. AVNOJ1989 (talk) 03:38, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think I read minds and I had provided straightforward answer to the relevant replies. The intention is to have straightforward productive discussion provided the other party understood exactly what is going on instead of wasting everyone precious time. Regardless, in regards to "incredibly rude", a big thank you for the PA. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 03:46, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Get over yourself. Do you have a proposed solution to avoid this lapsing into edit warring? We're both reading the same policy and coming away with radically different interpretations. I lifted a direct quote from the policy – which, as a reminder, you linked to in the first place – as justification. You've only been accusing me of trolling, wasting your time, etc... can you explain why you reverted the edit or are you okay to let my current edit stand? AVNOJ1989 (talk) 03:50, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't even reverted your latest revision even though I saw it on my WP:WATCHLIST (i.e. currently at 8000+ pages count) hence I'm not sure how this is going into edit warring or 3RR territory, and also I have no intention in doing so either. This however doesn't means that I agreed nor is this a "agree to disagree" with your interpretation and/or implementation just not interested in edit warring as I have better things to do instead. For the record, I'm not the only editor doing so i.e. removing and/or reverted "stylized as", see 3 examples (1, 2, 3) from another editor quoting the same discussion. And also, please fix your WP:BAREURL citation that you included in this edit to Assemble, I'm not going touch this disputed area i.e. the starting sentence in the lead as precaution for the timebeing. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 04:04, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the tip on fixing that citation. If we ever interact in the future I'd encourage you to remember WP:AGF with me instead of immediately jumping to going on the offensive. I think you got confused and | completely missed my point regarding the title of <ASSEMBLE24> because you didn't even read what I was saying or attempt to seek clarification. However large your watchlist is or however many edits you've done is simply irrelevant and no excuse to attempt to lock out or intimidate other editors. --AVNOJ1989 (talk) 04:41, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for fixing the citation. No comments on the other. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 04:45, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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