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Section size for Genocide of Indigenous peoples (89 sections)
Section name	Byte count	Section total
(Top)	7,717	7,717
Genocide debate	878	12,221
Broader conceptions of genocide	9,354	9,354
United Nations' definition of Genocide	1,989	1,989
Indigenous peoples of Europe (pre-1947)	47	10,682
British colonization of Ireland	4,644	4,644
Crimean Tatars, Krymchaks, Karaites	1,131	1,131
Circassian genocide	1,755	1,755
Cultural genocide in Scandinavia	1,584	1,584
Nazi Germany	1,521	1,521
Indigenous peoples of the Americas (pre-1948)	3,180	104,446
Causes of Indigenous Deaths	2,186	2,186
Categorization as a genocide	7,787	7,787
Climate Change	3,051	3,051
Spanish colonization of the Americas	11,330	11,330
British colonization of the Americas	92	11,123
Beaver Wars	1,070	1,070
Kalinago genocide	1,830	1,830
Attempted extermination of the Pequot	3,992	3,992
Massacre of the Narragansett people	1,828	1,828
French and Indian War and Pontiac's War	2,311	2,311
Canada	34,069	34,069
Mexico	147	3,377
Apaches	1,018	1,018
Mayas	680	680
Yaquis	1,532	1,532
Argentina	4,049	4,049
Paraguay	1,591	1,591
Chile	643	643
Putumayo genocide	2,317	2,317
United States colonization of Indigenous territories	5,771	19,189
Sterilization of Native women	1,225	1,225
Native American boarding schools	2,954	2,954
Indian Removal	3,345	3,345
American Indian Wars	1,753	1,753
United States acquisition of California	4,141	4,141
Politics of modern Brazil	554	554
Indigenous peoples of Africa (pre-1948)	102	13,057
French colonization of Africa	38	1,986
Algeria	1,948	1,948
Congo Free State	781	781
Spanish colonization of the Canary Islands	2,932	2,932
Genocide in German South West Africa	3,026	3,026
Italian occupied Libya	4,230	4,230
Indigenous peoples of Asia (pre-1947)	44	33,678
Armenian genocide	2,995	2,995
Russian tsarist conquest of Siberia	9,409	9,409
Japanese Empire	24	10,977
Colonization of Hokkaido	4,301	4,301
Colonization of Ryukyu	5,453	5,453
Cultural genocide in Korea	1,199	1,199
Vietnamese conquest of Champa	1,382	1,382
Qing dynasty	22	3,453
Dzungar genocide	3,431	3,431
Bandanese massacre	291	291
March across Samar	2,413	2,413
Famines in British India	2,714	2,714
Indigenous peoples of Oceania (pre-1945)	47	11,607
Australia	8,631	8,631
New Zealand	647	2,064
Moriori genocide	1,417	1,417
Blackbirding in the Pacific Islands	865	865
Contemporary examples	9,235	76,999
Afghanistan	1,219	1,219
Bangladesh	4,750	4,750
Brazil	2,100	2,100
Canada	1,315	1,315
China	15	27,574
Tibet	2,024	2,024
Xinjiang	22,542	22,542
Inner Mongolia	2,993	2,993
Colombia	2,670	2,670
Congo (DRC)	2,324	2,324
Darfur	41	41
East Timor	3,497	3,497
Guatemala	2,978	2,978
Indonesia	2,628	2,628
Myanmar/Burma	3,479	3,479
Paraguay	1,634	1,634
Peru	1,086	1,086
Sri Lanka	5,177	5,177
United States	1,588	1,588
Yazidi genocide in Iraq	3,704	3,704
See also	183	183
Notes	26	26
References	17	29,433
Citations	31	31
Sources	29,385	29,385
Further reading	5,764	5,764
Total	305,813	305,813

On 30 October 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved to Genocide of indigenous peoples. The result of the discussion was not moved.

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Nellie massacre[edit]

The Nellie massacre is a reverse example and does not belong here. The victims, in this case, were migrants and the perpetrators were indigenous. Chaipau (talk) 15:44, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed merge of Canadian genocide of the First Nations into Genocide of Indigenous peoples#Canada[edit]

There is currently more info on this topic in the overview article. The imbalance should be fixed by merging or summary style. (t · c) buidhe 23:17, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Too little meat for such a big fork ;) — kashmīrī ^TALK 00:23, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

yup....support merge Moxy🍁 16:23, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Very weak oppose, there is probably much more that can be written about this topic than would fit in a section here. But since it presently isn't written, I agree a merge with the redirect tagged {{R with possibilities}} and probably with a see also link to Canadian Indian residential school system (where most of the writing we do have on this topic is) would be appropriate. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 19:58, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Canadians originally had a standalone article..... like many other nations..... however they were all merged here many moons ago. I'd rather see everything merged out of here into its own article. As per WP:Does deletion help. Moxy🍁 20:34, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Would seem to warrant its own article (though perhaps its scope could be extended to Genocide of Indigenous peoples in Canada). Summary style is the solution. Graham (talk) 05:38, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Strong oppose. I could see expanding this into Genocide of Indigenous peoples in Canada but not merging in Genocide of Indigenous peoples, which has a worldwide context. Yuchitown (talk) 15:37, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Seems like this discussion should be taking place at Talk:Canadian genocide of the First Nations. Right now Genocide of Indigenous peoples is beyond 5 times larger than the recommended article length. The information here about Canadian First Nations should be transferred to Canadian genocide of the First Nations and then summarized here. Yuchitown (talk) 15:58, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Strong oppose -- this article already too long. Agree with Yuchitown that this article should be split and summarized. oncamera _{(talk page)} 18:39, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RFC: Palestinian genocide accusations[edit]

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The following text has been added and removed from the article several times over the past couple months. It had been included under the "contemporary examples" section, under the subheading "Israel", and had a {{main article}} link to Palestinian genocide accusation. Should this, or some version of it, be included in this article?

Throughout the extended Israeli-Palestinian conflict, the State of Israel has been accused of committing a genocide against Palestinians. Events such as the Nakba, the Sabra and Shatila massacre, the blockade of the Gaza Strip, the 2014 Gaza War, and the 2023 Israel–Hamas war have been used as examples of evidence for a genocide committed by Israel.^[1] Statements made by Israeli officials have also been described by genocide scholars as dehumanizing the population of Gaza and used as evidence for "genocidal intent."^[2]

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References

^ "The Genocide of the Palestinian People: An International Law and Human Rights Perspective" (PDF). Center for Constitutional Rights. October 2016. Archived from the original (PDF) on 2023-11-02. Retrieved 2023-10-12.
^ Bartov, Omer (10 November 2023). "Opinion | What I Believe as a Historian of Genocide". The New York Times. ISSN 0362-4331. Archived from the original on 18 December 2023. Retrieved 16 December 2023.

Comment - there can be no reasonable debate as to whether or not Israel's actions in either the current conflict or the entire Israeli-Palestinian conflict have been described by some prominent writers as genocide; we have a whole article about it which currently cites 379 sources. The question I suppose is whether or not Palestinians are considered an indigenous people. I don't know if that question is settled, and/or what the implications are for this discussion either way, so I'm going to wait for more comments before giving an opinion. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 20:36, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Leaning no. Arabs (including the ancestors of the people now using the demonym Palestinian) came in later, meanwhile the Jews (descended of the earlier Canaanite population there) were pushed out of this area for many centuries, with modern-day Israel later being established over the course of ca. 1920-48 through Jewish re-immigration. So, looking at it one way, both of these Semitic groups have a claim to being indigenous in some sense, and looking at it another more restrictive way, neither of them do. So, there is not clearly a case here of a colonial people imposing genocide on an indigenous people (even if there is mounting evidence that something genocidal is happening). It's either a newer colonial group oppressing an earlier but also colonial one; or a former and recently restored indigenous group oppressing an intermediary group that is also indigenous within a modern contextual understanding. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 04:39, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No - (Summoned by bot) The Israel-Palestinian conflict with history going back to 1947-48 is a political conflict, national conflict, and perhaps an inter-communal conflict. It can't be categorised as a conflict between "indigenous" and "non-indigenous" people. That topic doesn't belong here. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 19:42, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 25 May 2024[edit]

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Genocide of Indigenous peoples → Genocide of indigenous peoples – "Indigenous" is only a proper name when adopted as conventional for a particular ethnic group, and when applied to the specific groups who have done so. As a general, global adjective it is not and cannot be a proper name (any more than the opposite, "colonial"), so should not be capitalized. See in particular the lead paragraph of MOS:CAPS: WP does not capitalize that which is not capitalized consistently across nearly all independent reliable sources, and "indigenous peoples" is not so capitalized (indeed, it is overwhelmingly lowercase [1][2], except in highly retrictive contexts that refer to specific populations who have adopted the term self-referentially as a name in English). This same situation is true of all such terms such as "native" and "aboriginal". "Aboriginal" is capitalized in reference to native Australians, and "Native" is capitalized in "Native Americans" in reference to the aboribinal peoples of what is now the US and sometimes (in American usage) all of the Americas. But "native" is not capitalized (by the preponderance of modern reliable sources) in reference to Australians, nor "aboriginal" in reference to Americans, and neither is capitalized in "the native (aboriginal) peoples and languages of Siberia and Central Asia before the Soviet Union", etc. PS: There may be other over-capitalized articles of this sort, but perhaps take them one at a time, since some might pertain more narrowly to groups that have taken on "Indigenous" as a self-referential name/label. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 04:42, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support - per nom, who left nothing in need of saying. Primergrey (talk) 08:28, 25 May 2024 (UTC) Primergrey (talk) 08:28, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support – Per above. Svartner (talk) 08:33, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support - per nom. Psychastes (talk) 13:49, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support - I was thinking the same thing, SMcCandlish beat me to it. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 14:43, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. Graham (talk) 05:24, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong oppose. See WP:INDIGENOUS and MOS:RACECAPS. Indigenous is capitalized when referring to human beings, as per WP:MOS, as well as AP style, Chicago style, APA style, etc. Absolutely no good reason to go against the well-established styles in scholarly literature, mainstream news, and Wikipedia. Yuchitown (talk) 15:35, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong oppose, goes against Wikipedia policy perWP:INDIGENOUS and MOS:RACECAPS. oncamera _{(talk page)} 18:38, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] "The Genocide of the Palestinian People: An International Law and Human Rights Perspective" (PDF). Center for Constitutional Rights. October 2016. Archived from the original (PDF) on 2023-11-02. Retrieved 2023-10-12.

[Bartov-2] Bartov, Omer (10 November 2023). "Opinion | What I Believe as a Historian of Genocide". The New York Times. ISSN 0362-4331. Archived from the original on 18 December 2023. Retrieved 16 December 2023.

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